The Schiavo Battle II

[shamrock_uk]

Well, I can only echo what has been expressed already and I'm very sorry that the topic has caused you some distress.

If you always head to 'Ironworks Gaming Forums' (rather than 'Ironworks Forums', see the top of the page) then the CE forum will never be listed, and I think TDC moved the other thread on this case out of the General Discussion forum - beyond that I'm not sure what else we can do [img]smile.gif[/img]

Your points about the media and the nightmare of defending yourself against them are very well-taken, I know there are many of us who would share your sentiment and dislike of the usage of personal suffering as news.

I do hope you see some other topics that don't hit as close to home and join in though, new voices are always welcome [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 03-24-2005, 09:18 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[VulcanRider]

Well, I saw it. Not much that we haven't already noted here, except (A) I thought she was deprived of O2 for five minutes and they said almost 10, (B) Michael became a registered nurse afterward to care for her, and (C) Michael's brother said, after they watched a grandmother pass who'd been intubated for some time, she told him she never wanted to live that way.

Nothing in the program to change my mind that it's time to let her go...

[Azred]

That is exactly what the Courts continue to assert: there is no new evidence to present to warrant a full review of the case. Sean Hannity seems to think the the Courts should simply do what the Congress says, but the Constitution states otherwise.

The Schindlers are simply reacting out of grief and desperation. The people who have attached onto their cause like ravenous leeches have much baser motivations driving their actions.

One point that the anti-Michael forces continue to assert is that he will either 1) inherit a ton of money if she dies or 2) that he spent all the money fighting legal battles instead of spending the money on care. [img]graemlins/erm.gif[/img] Not only are those two statement contradictory, but the only reason he spent so much money is because Terri's parents have been filing so many lawsuits over many years.

I predict that when she passes they are going to sue the crap out of Michael for emotional damages and wrongful death.

[Timber Loftis]

Vulcan Rider, thanks much for the info.

[quietman1920]

People, you are right. I shouldn't have come to this forum. I like the general forum...and thats where I'll go. If any of you feel that my comments have been to harsh on you personally, then I'd like to stop a moment and apologise to you personally.

I'm sorry.

This subject is too close to me for me to be objectively independent and I recuse myself. I have to get back to work in any event.

Ziroc, my NWN trap suggestion is a valid and vicious one. If you can use it in your Mod somewhere, i'd be honored. And thanks for providing a board that I can go to for to escape the trying realities of life.

[Azred]

Why isn't anyone questioning the people who have chosen to latch themselves onto the Schindler's case? That poor family is struggling to do what they think is right, but they are being given false hope after false hope. How many disappointments do those people want to inflict upon the Schindlers?
On a related point, the longer the case drags on the crazier the protesters get. They are stepping up from simply being arrested to advocating a forcible kidnapping of Terri to place her in a sort of protective State custody. One man decided that he would rob a gun store--his weapon of choice was a small hand-held boxcutter --so that he could rescue Terri.

Also, since the Supreme Court has decided (albeit by deciding not to decide), how can there possibly be any more appeals? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

Michael Schiavo's lawyer is probably laughing all the way to the bank at this point. Every time another person comes out and suggests on camera that he somehow assaulted her, abused her, or purposefully put her in the condition in which she is today, that is another case of slander against Michael.

My suggestion to Michael would be that since the Schindlers have caused all this trouble, then he--as Terri's legal guardian--should completely forbid them from seeing Terri anymore and file a restraining order that would bar them from her eventual funeral. For being so selfish and refusing to follow the reasonable and rational course of action they can simply suffer; after that, they can just "get over it".

[Azred]

Originally posted by quietman1920: People, you are right. I shouldn't have come to this forum. I like the general forum...and thats where I'll go. If any of you feel that my comments have been to harsh on you personally, then I'd like to stop a moment and apologise to you personally. I'm sorry.

No need to apologize to anyone here, quietman1920. We're all adults--well, at least we should always act as if we are [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img] --and are not so easily bruised.

Since you are much more intimately involved than anyone else here, you have my sympathies for whatever pain this case might be causing you.

[ 03-25-2005, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: Azred ]

[VulcanRider]

Originally posted by Azred: Also, since the Supreme Court has decided (albeit by deciding not to decide), how can there possibly be any more appeals? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

On another forum I visit, someone asked if the President could issue an Executive Order. I suppose he could, but that kind of heavy-handed force would be a black eye on the Republican party as a whole. Some might argue the GOP already has more black eyes than a Beholder in a Rocky movie, but that's another thread...

[Larry_OHF]

I just learned today that an executive order only applies to people that work for him, the executive, and the Hospice is not under his power. The only thing that can be done now is if Gov. Bush orders the National Guard to move in and seize Terri, but he would not do that, I am sure.

[Cerek]

Originally posted by Azred: Why isn't anyone questioning the people who have chosen to latch themselves onto the Schindler's case? That poor family is struggling to do what they think is right, but they are being given false hope after false hope. How many disappointments do those people want to inflict upon the Schindlers? On a related point, the longer the case drags on the crazier the protesters get. They are stepping up from simply being arrested to advocating a forcible kidnapping of Terri to place her in a sort of protective State custody. One man decided that he would rob a gun store--his weapon of choice was a small hand-held boxcutter --so that he could rescue Terri. Also, since the Supreme Court has decided (albeit by deciding not to decide), how can there possibly be any more appeals? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] Michael Schiavo's lawyer is probably laughing all the way to the bank at this point. Every time another person comes out and suggests on camera that he somehow assaulted her, abused her, or purposefully put her in the condition in which she is today, that is another case of slander against Michael. My suggestion to Michael would be that since the Schindlers have caused all this trouble, then he--as Terri's legal guardian--should completely forbid them from seeing Terri anymore and file a restraining order that would bar them from her eventual funeral. For being so selfish and refusing to follow the reasonable and rational course of action they can simply suffer; after that, they can just "get over it".

I can't see blaming the specialists the Schindlers keep seeking as being the cause of their suffering and turmoil. From everything I've read, the parents simply refuse to accept the fact that Terri is NOT going to recover and they have sought out anybody that would agree with thier assumption. If you ask enough specialists to support your cause, you will eventually find one (or more) that will.

Look at Michael Jackson as a perfect example. MOST self-respecting plastic surgeons would agree he should NEVER have had the last few surgeries (especially on his nose). But Jacko simply kept shopping around until he found one that WOULD take his money and put his professional concerns aside.

I don't think any of the specialists on the Schindler's side are being so transparantly self-serving, but it's the shotgun effect. If you ask enough doctors to say there is hope, eventually you WILL find some who do. It's your basic Law of Averages, nothing more.