Gun Control?

[Timber Loftis]

You won't have to learn a new language. All Swiss are taught to be trilingual in school, including English. I had no trouble getting around. [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]

[Oblivion437]

All right! So it's Switzerland or Arizona, either place is perfect for me and my inborn physical health problems!

[Timber Loftis]

Actually, Oblivion, FYI, all males in Switzerland have compulsory military service continuing until death. Even the older guys still serve -- usually a few weeks a year being guards at embassies or UN locations. It's quite the interesting system, and from my limited knowledge of it I respect it a lot.

[Lanesra]

Oblivion, I think you've mentioned the gun bans in Britain before, what gun bans ? I would imagine the last time guns were legal over here was around the 1700s, so if thats when you're talking about crime increasing from, then I agree.

But as proved before on this board gun crime in the UK, is still a long way behind gun crime in the states.

[Donut]

Originally posted by Oblivion437: If I were to move to any European nation, it would be Switzerland. At least they're decent enough folk to realize that human beings are at least as trustworthy as invisible government entities. Besides that, I could always use sound financial advice...

This one statement proves that you don't know what you are talking about. Only members of the Swiss armed forces may keep firearms.

And they have to keep them locked away
And they only have a finite amount of ammunition
And the ammunition has to be kept sealed
And it is checked and counted annually
And you can't buy it anywhere

Oblivion - you are totally obsessed with guns. It isn't healthy.

And please don't speak about increased violent crime in the UK without providing facts. There are many reasons for the increase.

[ 03-24-2004, 05:45 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by Oblivion437: If I were to move to any European nation, it would be Switzerland. At least they're decent enough folk to realize that human beings are at least as trustworthy as invisible government entities. Besides that, I could always use sound financial advice...

This one statement proves that you don't know what you are talking about. Only members of the Swiss armed forces may keep firearms.

And they have to keep them locked away
And they only have a finite amount of ammunition
And the ammunition has to be kept sealed
And it is checked and counted annually
And you can't buy it anywhere

Oblivion - you are totally obsessed with guns. It isn't healthy.

And please don't speak about increased violent crime in the UK without providing facts. There are many reasons for the increase. [/QUOTE]Donut - Enjoying gun ownership and expecting our government to actually UPHOLD the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution is a far cry from being "totally obsessed with guns".

Many Americans - including myself - enjoy the privilege of gun ownership. While I don't get to do it often, I do thoroughly enjoy doing target practice with my pistols. Also, as Oblivion keeps pointing out, our Constitution specifically grants individuals the right to own guns. I also agree that all gun-control legislation enacted by various state or city gov't entities is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to specific incidents..and all of them are at least indirectly in violation of the U.S. Constitution

I'm also growing very tired of seeing members here make insulting and judgemental remarks about others when they disagree with their position on an issue.

When I joined IW 2 years, members here could discuss controversial issues without insulting each other. But I've seen the trend become more and more prevelant in the last year. I've seen members just be outright insulting to those they disagree with instead of trying to offer a good counterargument and I've seen topics completely banned because a handful of members couldn't discuss a particular issue without hurling insults.

All of this has led me to visit here less and less. And the more I browse here, the less change I see. It's the same old topics divided along the same lines. And since all the arguments have been presented before, the threads quickly degenerate into contest of subtle flaming and judgemental accusations.

It's absolutely shameful.

[The Hierophant]

Aww c'mon Cerek, don't be like that. Sit back and enjoy the fireworks

[Donut]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: Donut - Enjoying gun ownership and expecting our government to actually UPHOLD the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution is a far cry from being "totally obsessed with guns". Many Americans - including myself - enjoy the privilege of gun ownership. While I don't get to do it often, I do thoroughly enjoy doing target practice with my pistols. Also, as Oblivion keeps pointing out, our Constitution specifically grants individuals the right to own guns. I also agree that all gun-control legislation enacted by various state or city gov't entit1ies is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to specific incidents..and all of them are at least indirectly in violation of the U.S. Constitution I'm also growing very tired of seeing members here make insulting and judgemental remarks about others when they disagree with their position on an issue. When I joined IW 2 years, members here could discuss controversial issues without insulting each other. But I've seen the trend become more and more prevelant in the last year. I've seen members just be outright insulting to those they disagree with instead of trying to offer a good counterargument and I've seen topics completely banned because a handful of members couldn't discuss a particular issue without hurling insults. All of this has led me to visit here less and less. And the more I browse here, the less change I see. It's the same old topics divided along the same lines. And since all the arguments have been presented before, the threads quickly degenerate into contest of subtle flaming and judgemental accusations. It's absolutely shameful.

You're well wide of the mark here Cerek. I have no problem with the pro-gun lobby in America. It's your country.

My remark about Oblivion's obsession with guns is not based solely on this thread. If I started a thread on my pressed flower collection Oblivion would find a way to introduce a post on guns. I could count thre number of his posts that don't relate to guns and gun control on the fingers of one hand.

I think you'll find that I haven't argued for or against gun control here. I agree that it's pointless, nobody will change their minds on the subject.

And whilst we're on the subject - you seem to be somewhat judgemental of me in your post.

[ 03-24-2004, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Donut: And whilst we're on the subject - you seem to be somewhat judgemental of me in your post.

You're entitled to view it that way if you wish.

[Oblivion437]

Donut, I do most of my casual talk at other forums or with other human beings in person. For this reason, I've only posted in a few threads... The HKM4 thread was mainly about government waste, if you didn't get my point. There were numerous superior alternatives to the proposed solution to an alleged problem. The nature of how they've wasted money in that instance is the same as how they waste money anywhere.

Let's not forget that I posted quite a bit a while back, and never mentioned firearms in general, or anything specific.

Donut, you're a judgemental hypocrite.