Eastern themed party - Page 4

Ramon de Ramon y Ramon · 03-13-2001, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Accord:
That's why it is good to have fighter/mages, when the rifle runs our of bullets, you still have the bayonet (CHARGE!!!!).

Yeah ! Fighter/mages rule !

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So long !

R³ - Co-president(s) of the Club of Broken Hearts

Yorick · 03-13-2001, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by 250:

the whole Kara-tur is a imitation of ancient Asia.

Exactly "dude" an imitation is not the real McCoy.
I don't care where you're from. Not all Australians know about Australia. All I need is to have seen one movie, read one book or heard one myth that you haven't for you to be wrong. Which is obviously the case. Remember that for a start, the Djinn is Asian and they practice magic, but this is beside the point. You are obviously intent on limiting Asia to the Chinese sphere of influence, yet even so, I HAVE HEARD OF CHINESE WIZARDS. Are you not reading this? Song Jiang was a wizard who cast fireballs. The cheesy fantasy show "Monkey" (made in Asia) had the hero practicing magic and fighting demons and wizards. To make such a statement of yours without quantification is a foolish thing indeed.

Thankyou for the moral support Hesperex.

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Lifetime · 03-13-2001, 11:18 PM

Traditionally in Chinese Folklore (Im taking reference to Journey to the West, which is probably the source material for that "monkey" show you were talking about), there were spirits and entities capable of flight/levitation, shapeshifting, manipulation of the elements and other "magical" properties. In Chinese History, Scientists, Doctors and Alchemists (China was probably the most technologically advanced country in it's era before the Western countries began their own rapid modernisation) could also have been referred to as "mages" and "clerics" because of their almost legendary ability (to the common folk) to perform feats of healing and science, like the invention of primitive bombs/inciendiary devices for use on a battlefield. To a common soldier or a peasant, these could very well have been interpreted as fireballs. Chinese battles were often quite inventive and technology-dependant on the latest innovations from court scientists.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, It has been a while since I last read up Chinese History, No offence indended to anyone, no offence will be taken if anyone proves me wrong

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Why?

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Yorick · 03-14-2001, 12:25 AM

Very good reply Lifetime. Well done. I take a bow.
We should meet up BTW. I'll be in Singapore for a few more weeks you know.

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FAIR DINKUM!

Accord · 03-14-2001, 12:28 AM

How is your trip Yorick? I trust that you are enjoying journeys.

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Long live H22A1!!!!!

Yorick · 03-14-2001, 04:40 AM

Thanks Accord, certainly am.

Loving it. Enjoying my time here immensely

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FAIR DINKUM!

Donut · 03-14-2001, 05:41 AM

Sorry Off Topic

I just need to catch Yorick.

Yorick RE LAXMAN (254 n.o what is going on?)

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250 · 03-14-2001, 05:53 AM

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Originally posted by Yorick:
Exactly "dude" an imitation is not the real McCoy.
I don't care where you're from. Not all Australians know about Australia. All I need is to have seen one movie, read one book or heard one myth that you haven't for you to be wrong. Which is obviously the case. Remember that for a start, the Djinn is Asian and they practice magic, but this is beside the point. You are obviously intent on limiting Asia to the Chinese sphere of influence, yet even so, I HAVE HEARD OF CHINESE WIZARDS. Are you not reading this? Song Jiang was a wizard who cast fireballs. The cheesy fantasy show "Monkey" (made in Asia) had the hero practicing magic and fighting demons and wizards. To make such a statement of yours without quantification is a foolish thing indeed.

Thankyou for the moral support Hesperex.

Dijing is not asian, they are from elemental plane. i dont know how you got the idea of an asian dijing into your head. they might be from kara-tur recently, but their homelands is elemental plane. a good example of current kingdom of sand Calisman (something like that). it was originally founded by genies from fire elemental.
the point is, they are from asia doesnt mean asia has mage.

and that cheesy show monkey thing got nothing to do with wizards, they are godlings, immortal and priests with great faith. they are not WIZARD. asians' tales involve no wizard

Yorick · 03-14-2001, 06:19 AM

I shall not bother throwing pearls before swine number 250 so this shall be my last post to you.

The Djinn are Arabic are they not? The Arabian Nights? The Genie of the lamp? Arabic countries are in Asia I believe, and not in a fantasy elemental plane.

Did you read Lifetimes post or did you fill your eyes with dung?

Magic in mythology is used to describe feats beyond the understanding of mere men. Practitioners of such arcane crafts are labelled many things in different areas. Druids of Celtic Mythology, Fakhirs from India, Shamen and Witchdoctors from Africa, and now we have been illuminated by Lifetimes eloquent post on Chinese "Magicians".

Thus in Baldurs Gate 2 the closest one could get to a practitioner of such mysteries would fall under the character classes, Mage, Enchanter, Diviner, Transmuter, etc. to fit in with an 'Asian' theme, just as an Assassin could loosely be linked to a Ninja and a Cleric to a physician or even a Jesuit-like Missionary.

I enjoy discussions and differing opinions, but your refusal to debate factualy without appearing to read or respect anothers opinion bores me.

Adios number 250.

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Yorick · 03-14-2001, 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by Donut:
Sorry Off Topic

I just need to catch Yorick.

Yorick RE LAXMAN (254 n.o what is going on?)

I have no idea. I am in despair Donut!

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03-13-2001, 11:18 PM	#33
Lifetime Red Dragon Join Date: March 3, 2001 Location: Scotch College, Melbourne Posts: 1,503	Traditionally in Chinese Folklore (Im taking reference to Journey to the West, which is probably the source material for that "monkey" show you were talking about), there were spirits and entities capable of flight/levitation, shapeshifting, manipulation of the elements and other "magical" properties. In Chinese History, Scientists, Doctors and Alchemists (China was probably the most technologically advanced country in it's era before the Western countries began their own rapid modernisation) could also have been referred to as "mages" and "clerics" because of their almost legendary ability (to the common folk) to perform feats of healing and science, like the invention of primitive bombs/inciendiary devices for use on a battlefield. To a common soldier or a peasant, these could very well have been interpreted as fireballs. Chinese battles were often quite inventive and technology-dependant on the latest innovations from court scientists. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, It has been a while since I last read up Chinese History, No offence indended to anyone, no offence will be taken if anyone proves me wrong ------------------ Why? [This message has been edited by Lifetime (edited 03-13-2001).]

03-14-2001, 12:25 AM	#34
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	Very good reply Lifetime. Well done. I take a bow. We should meet up BTW. I'll be in Singapore for a few more weeks you know. ------------------ FAIR DINKUM!

03-14-2001, 12:28 AM	#35
Accord Ninja Storm Shadow Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,537	How is your trip Yorick? I trust that you are enjoying journeys. ------------------ Long live H22A1!!!!!

03-14-2001, 04:40 AM	#36
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	Thanks Accord, certainly am. Loving it. Enjoying my time here immensely ------------------ FAIR DINKUM!

03-14-2001, 05:41 AM	#37
Donut Jack Burton Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Airstrip One Age: 41 Posts: 5,571	Sorry Off Topic I just need to catch Yorick. Yorick RE LAXMAN (254 n.o what is going on?) ------------------ The Truth is in the Profile

03-14-2001, 06:19 AM	#39
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	I shall not bother throwing pearls before swine number 250 so this shall be my last post to you. The Djinn are Arabic are they not? The Arabian Nights? The Genie of the lamp? Arabic countries are in Asia I believe, and not in a fantasy elemental plane. Did you read Lifetimes post or did you fill your eyes with dung? Magic in mythology is used to describe feats beyond the understanding of mere men. Practitioners of such arcane crafts are labelled many things in different areas. Druids of Celtic Mythology, Fakhirs from India, Shamen and Witchdoctors from Africa, and now we have been illuminated by Lifetimes eloquent post on Chinese "Magicians". Thus in Baldurs Gate 2 the closest one could get to a practitioner of such mysteries would fall under the character classes, Mage, Enchanter, Diviner, Transmuter, etc. to fit in with an 'Asian' theme, just as an Assassin could loosely be linked to a Ninja and a Cleric to a physician or even a Jesuit-like Missionary. I enjoy discussions and differing opinions, but your refusal to debate factualy without appearing to read or respect anothers opinion bores me. Adios number 250. ------------------ FAIR DINKUM!

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