The Passion

[Chewbacca]

Is it really this bad? The degree of carnage I mean? If so, No thanks. I'd rather have benign, uplifting images in my spiritual life. If I want a blood-fest, I'll rent Resevoir Dogs.


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Pupils offered counselling over Passion of the Christ

Pupils at a US school have been offered counselling after a teacher showed them clips of Mel Gibson's film, The Passion of the Christ.

The Washington Post says some students were so upset at the violence that they walked out of the lesson.

Officials at Malcolm X Elementary School, in the Congress Park area of Washington DC, say teacher Ronald Anthony has been given leave pending an investigation.

Cutairra Ransom, 11, walked out of the lesson for sixth-graders after watching 15 minutes of the film.

She said: "I saw Jesus getting beaten. Needles were going in his arms. It was scary the way they was beating him. It made me feel really bad, terrible."

About 20 pupils were shown the film. School officials say they're looking at how Mr Anthony managed to get hold of a copy of the film - which hasn't been released on video or DVD.

Principal Vaughn C Kimbrough says students disturbed by the images will be offered counselling. It's thought the pupils were shown 60 to 90 minutes of the two-hour film.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: Is it really this bad? The degree of carnage I mean? If so, No thanks. I'd rather have benign, uplifting images in my spiritual life. If I want a blood-fest, I'll rent Resevoir Dogs.

<font color=deepskyblue>The carnage is bad, but it is also uplifting - when you realize that Jesus was willing to endure such barbaric torture and to die such a horribly cruel death....all for the sake of atonement for our sins.

I have read about his trial, torture and Crucifixion in the Bible, but to see such a stark visualization of the punishment He endured for made me appreciate His Holy Sacrifice even more than I had before.

The movie is harsh, and not really suitable for anybody under the age of 14-15. It was very poor judgement on the part of the teacher to show the film to his 6th graders.</font>

[Smoothie]

I didn't find it very uplifting, then again, I don't believe in Jesus as a god, or in any god for that matter.

Someone actually brought a very small child to the showing I was in. People really bleep me off.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Smoothie: I didn't find it very uplifting, then again, I don't believe in Jesus as a god, or in any god for that matter. Someone actually brought a very small child to the showing I was in. People really bleep me off.

<font color=deepskyblue>I'll agree with that last statement. I know some adults who aren't sure they can handle the images in the movie and I certainly wouldn't take a child to the movie.

I listen to a Christian radio station out of Atlanta, GA at work. The Monday before the release of the movie, a lady called in and wanted to know if it would be appropriate to take her 11yr old. The DJ's decided to have a "call in" the next morning and let listener's give thier opinions.

One woman said she had taken her 7yr old and 5yr old to see RotK and it was a fantasy movie..it wasn't even real. So she didn't think there would be anything wrong with taking them to see the REAL story of Christ.

HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE????

It isn't like the violence and graphic images of the movie haven't been talked about over and over and over. I don't care HOW "mature" your 7yr old child is, they are NOT ready to see <font color=white>The Passion of the Christ.</font>

[trueheart78]

It isn't gory, but it is brutal at times. Honestly, unless you are expecting a gorefest, it wasn't more gruesome than some of the battles in Braveheart.

Regarding it's effect on me, it's more of a realization of what my Lord and Saviour endured, for the benefit of each and everyone of those that assisted the high priests, and for all those throughout the ages.

It is a tear-jerker, but I also had a huge smile on my face when 1) He crushed the serpent's head in the garden(VERY powerful fulfillment of the scripture), and 2) Easter sunday coming around at the end, the Son of Man conquering through that which Satan thought would destroy Christ.

It's tough to sit through at times, but the worst part of that is that the movie isn't as harsh as the real event was. (ie: His lungs being exposed)

Regardless, it was very moving, certainly an experience, and anyone that feels grounded in their faith should go see. Just remember it isn't one of those films that you talk about all the way home, simply because the whole car is lost for words. Now if only that effect was garnered to those that read the scripture...

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: <font color=deepskyblue>The carnage is bad, but it is also uplifting - when you realize that Jesus was willing to endure such barbaric torture and to die such a horribly cruel death....all for the sake of atonement for our sins. </font>

With all due respect...your sins perhaps because you believe it, but not mine. I do not believe Jesus was the son of God or the savior, therefore Jesus did not die for the atonement of my sins, not even a little. This is one reason why I would find zero upliftment from a movie that graphically depicts his tortue and execution. Like I already mentioned, I prefer more benign uplifting imagery in my spiritual path. Jesus with a halo is okay, but being tortured and hanging bloody from the cross...no thanks.

Anyway, I don't want to start a religious tussle or anything. I have my perspective, and I recognize and respect that you have yours Cerek. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I will wait for the DVD and watch the movie then. Until then I guess I really have no place or grounds to further comment.

[ 03-05-2004, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: <font color=deepskyblue>The carnage is bad, but it is also uplifting - when you realize that Jesus was willing to endure such barbaric torture and to die such a horribly cruel death....all for the sake of atonement for our sins. </font>

With all due respect...your sins perhaps because you believe it, but not mine. I do not believe Jesus was the son of God or the savior, therefore Jesus did not die for the atonement of my sins, not even a little. This is one reason why I would find zero upliftment from a movie that graphically depicts his tortue and execution. Like I already mentioned, I prefer more benign uplifting imagery in my spiritual path. Jesus with a halo is okay, but being tortured and hanging bloody from the cross...no thanks.

Anyway, I don't want to start a religious tussle or anything. I have my perspective, and I recognize and respect that you have yours Cerek. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I will wait for the DVD and watch the movie then. Until then I guess I really have no place or grounds to further comment. </font>[/QUOTE]With all due respect, my faith is that Jesus died for your sins whether you believe it or not, so he certainly did die for your sins, and took each lash and blow in your place.

As for uplifting... it's extremely uplifting. O.k. forget his deity for a minute, his courage, strength, endurance, calmness, the way he gave to those around him, even when he was at his lowest is a compelling example. Praying for his enemies, consoling his grieving mother. He even counsels Pilate, counsels the co-crucified theif. Jesus, was far from benign, even in death.

It is often said something is measured by what it comes up against. His spirit was never broken. You are a pacifist. His response and example are compelling examples. "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword" he says to those that would fight for him. You NEED to see the film Chewbacca.

[ 03-06-2004, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

[Yorick]

Oh, and the big screen is by far the place to see it. A DVD simply will not compare. The cinematography (panoramas, atmospheric sequences etc) and music are superb. It's a well made film.

[ 03-06-2004, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

[The Hierophant]

As a classicist and avid Roman Imperial admirer I think I really need to see this film....

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Yorick: With all due respect, my faith is that Jesus died for your sins whether you believe it or not, so he certainly did die for your sins, and took each lash and blow in your place. As for uplifting... it's extremely uplifting. O.k. forget his deity for a minute, his courage, strength, endurance, calmness, the way he gave to those around him, even when he was at his lowest is a compelling example. Praying for his enemies, consoling his grieving mother. He even counsels Pilate, counsels the co-crucified theif. Jesus, was far from benign, even in death. It is often said something is measured by what it comes up against. His spirit was never broken. You are a pacifist. His response and example are compelling examples. "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword" he says to those that would fight for him. You NEED to see the film Chewbacca.

Fair enough. I too have beliefs that, according to my path of faith, generally apply to everyone, whether they believe or not. So I can't fault anyone for it the same. Like I said before, it certainly can't hurt me that you beleive that anymore than my beleifs could hurt you. [img]smile.gif[/img] But enough about that, in respect of the house rules.

I understand how you and many others will find upliftment from the film. I respect that and do not seek to diminish that. [img]smile.gif[/img]


Oh, and DVD works just fine for me. Even a great home theater system is no replacement for the big screen, but works good enough for me and I can smoke, drink, and eat what I want, pause and sit on my comfy couch. Turn it up loud enough and the only big difference is the size of the screen.