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[Dundee Slaytern]

Watch Matrix:Reloaded and Matrix:Revolution again, Xen. Neo did see the future.

[Lord]

Originally posted by Xen: True but you see... The One never forsaw the future. The Oracle did. I am a 150% Powergamer... i want to win every time.

Just running a sorceror is powergaming [img]tongue.gif[/img] .

I personally am not much of a powergamer, but once you go through the game once, it's hard not to be a powergamer: you know what's coming next. So you tell yourself, "I just won't use my previous knowledge of the game to beat it again," but that's downright impossible. I've heard people say they will do this or that they have done this, but I know it hasn't been done. You'd literally have to wipe your memory clear to not be a powergamer now. For example, say you're in WK (BTW, THIS HAS A SMALL SPOILER IN IT) and you're at Lum the Mad's machine. You get all 3 liquids, you go to the braziers, and you look at your map in order to remember which order you light them in. If you were a roleplayer, or hadn't played the game before, you wouldn't have looked at your map. You would probably have tried over and over until you got the order right. However, you instinctively looked at your map and would not consider it powergaming because looking at the map is the way you're supposed to figure it out. But your first time through the game, if you're role playing, you would have found this out accidentally...but not the next time.
So there's my view on powergaming and roleplaying.

[Link]

Knowing where all the quests are is powergaming too: experience from playing the game before.

[Imrahil]

Powergaming & role-playing aren't mutually exclusive. I tend to think that role-playing just means staying in character - making decisions your character would make. For example, making different dialogue choices if you're playing a Neutral Good Ranger vs. a Lawful Evil Mage.

Powergaming applies more to how you play the game - if you "discover" secret areas before someone (in the game) tells you about them or click the right answer to a riddle without even reading the question.

Sometimes, the 2 conflict (such as if you know one dialogue choice will give you a better reward but your character wouldn't pick that one), but not always. To use the Watcher's Keep SPOILER FROM ABOVE...
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... I always just click on the torches in the right order now, but how I deal with Carston (let him live, kill him, etc.) depends on the character I'm playing. So I tend to powergame *and* role-play, but favor role-playing when the two conflict.

- Imrahil

[Lord]

Originally posted by Imrahil: Powergaming & role-playing aren't mutually exclusive. I tend to think that role-playing just means staying in character - making decisions your character would make. For example, making different dialogue choices if you're playing a Neutral Good Ranger vs. a Lawful Evil Mage. Powergaming applies more to how you play the game - if you "discover" secret areas before someone (in the game) tells you about them or click the right answer to a riddle without even reading the question. Sometimes, the 2 conflict (such as if you know one dialogue choice will give you a better reward but your character wouldn't pick that one), but not always. To use the Watcher's Keep SPOILER FROM ABOVE... . ... I always just click on the torches in the right order now, but how I deal with Carston (let him live, kill him, etc.) depends on the character I'm playing. So I tend to powergame *and* role-play, but favor role-playing when the two conflict. - Imrahil

That was my point. Powergaming and roleplaying come hand in hand (you can't have 1 with out the other).

[Dundee Slaytern]

Not really... not when you consider some of the mods out there. It may be hard to roleplay without powergaming, but by golly is it possible to powergame without roleplaying.