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Indemaijinj · 02-05-2003, 08:59 PM

The only creatures for whom chaimail bikinis would make any sense are fire elementals.

They can't wear cloth, since it would burn up (unless it was woven from rockwool or asbestos).

They can only wear things that allows the passage of air (otherwise they will choke themselves).

Tancred · 02-05-2003, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Indemaijinj:

Skimpily armoured males are actually also rather common. Like the barbarians who has their arms totally covered in plates and gauntlets, but their chest and neck completely bare and their crotch only protected by a piece of fur.

The saddest thing is that all this stuff is made by established fantasy artists.[/QB]

I dunno... having your arms armoured is more or less like being able to carry 2 shields at once. You can protect neck and chest with your sword.

If you get shot... well, chainmail isn't going to be much help anyway.

Butterfingers · 02-05-2003, 10:06 PM

Speaking soley from personal experience.

I HATE wearing heavy armor. I have worn plated mails, never once did I actually like doing so. You sacrifice to much for that amount of protection. If you get knocked over, you have no chance in hell of getting back to your feet by your self in the heavier plates like Gothic and Field Plate. You can't bend your arms enough to scratch your own nose hardly. It's a real pain in the ass.

Personally, I have always been fond of a studded leather jerkin or jack. It's a double layer of leather with little bits of iron or steel between the layers, riveted to hold the leather together. The weight distribution is good. It will block some arrows, deflect smaller lighter blades, and, even offers a little protection from fearsome mace blows. A little is better then none, and, you could get lucky. Cover this with a chainmail vest, no sleeves, and, a knee length chainmail skirt. Add iron plated bracers to add some protection to your arms, some greaves, and a nice sallet or a typical Norman brainpan, and, you are good to go really. You have mobility. (I was able to do cartwheels in this set up) You have decent protection. You will have to rely heavily on parrying and blocking however. Arm your self accordingly. Get a nice spear, a poleaxe, or perhaps use a shield along with an axe, mace, or flail. Use the axe for chainmail or lightly armored foes, use mace or flail for folks with heavier armor. In the battlefield, the mace and the flail were the great equilizer. You did not need to worry about piercing armor, a strong stunning blow could knock a foe over. It would also create a shockwave rippling through his armor and his body. Meaning that many of his bones would break from the sheer brutal force of the blow.

However, DO NOT PLAN ON GOING OUT ON A DATE after wearing this. You will still stink three ways to Sunday.

Also, personal side note. If you want your own suit of armor, you can make your own personal studded leather jack. You need lots of leather, enough to make two coats, either a whole bunch of pennies or high grade industrial washers, and, some kind of riveter. Rivet one leather coat, then, sew the other one over the top of it. Turn it inside out to make sure the rivet nubs are away from your skin, protruding from the leather of the coat. Make sure you have REALLY tough fingers. Also, chainmail is pretty easy to get if you know where to look. You can frequently find it at a fireplace retail and supply. Lots of fireplaces have chainmail drapes hanging down to catch sparks. You can buy whole sheets of it. Clip it to desired shape, and, hook it together with other pieces. It is commonly made of high grade 440 carbon steel, which is actually pretty darn good. Beware of chainweave, which is actually quite different from chainmail. Have fun, and, be responsible with sharp pointy objects.

Decurion · 02-05-2003, 10:19 PM

bump. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

SixOfSpades · 02-06-2003, 04:36 PM

I, too, am more fond of lighter armor, simply because I prefer agressive blocking to passive. I've got a pair of leather gloves with chainmail sewn to the backs, and with these and a pair of bracers with iron bars impregnated within the leather, I'm good to go. (A mail shirt would be nice to go over the jerkin, but I'm fine with just leather.) With this gear and a staff, I can block/dodge/outrun pretty much any attack, and my own atacks have both power and range. BUT. It works great in single combat, but if I was taking part in a massive melee and trying to keep track of 3 or 4 guys at a time, I would be SO screwed. That's where personal mobility goes flying out the window, and passive blocking (plate mail) comes in.

Timber Loftis · 02-06-2003, 04:53 PM

Well, now that this has become about armor to wear rather than armor to look at, I too am fond of lighter armor.

The fighting I've done has been in light armor w/ 2 swords or 1 sword (I'm not too big on shields - I'd rather be blocking w/ a sword even though it's harder). In lighter armor I could literally tap-dance around a foe and beat on his back with ratan swords. Of course, heavily armored folks could take a LOT of my hits, and with each one from them I had one new bruise to whimper about the next day.

Butterfingers · 02-06-2003, 05:17 PM

When I did my stint with the SCA, only Pages and Squires fought with mock weapons. Knights (People of high rank who had fought a long time) fought with REAL weapons. I guess things have changed much now, to many people are making lawsuits. The real weapons were blunted though, no sharp edges, no spikes, nothing that could prove instantly fatal.

We did real jousts and real tournies. Just like in the middle ages.

The tournies were brutal bloody afairs. Broken bones and cuts were common. We regularly went to the ER. And in classic middle ages rules, we had a last man standing policy. We did not try to kill anybody, the rules of the game were to knock out or otherwise make it so your foes could not get back up and fight.

I won 3 tournaments in the armor I described, 3 in one year. I was 2 wins away from breaking a record for most wins in a year. (Back in the 70's. I am sure the record has long since been broken) I took some real beatings in the pig pile fighting, but, I mostly relied on being tougher then a two dollar steak to get me out of the mess. Our largest gathering that year was a little over 50 people who took to the field. I was quite proud to take home the trophy that day. I had a broken wrist, many broken ribs, a hairline fracture in my jaw, and one eye was so swolen shut I sliced it open with a knife so I could see. (And it was dull.. It hurt an awful lot) It was a good year, I never did win another last man standing contest ever again.

Six, with your armor and described fighting style, you sound like you would have been a natural in the Dueling Classes. I um, actually sort of suck at that. It's a lot easier for me to take on entire hoards then take on somebody one on one.

Arias De'Minal · 02-06-2003, 08:12 PM

Anyone here played Dark Alliance for Ps2?? Take the armour off of the elf. You arnt going to beet that.

Attalus · 02-07-2003, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by Butterfingers:
Zara the Drow. She was featured in Dragon Magazine's Dungeon Pinups. She is a Drow Mage who wore nothing but spiderwebs.

I asked Viconia about wearing that and she replied that I look at her quite enough clad decently.

Attalus · 02-07-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by Indemaijinj:
The only creatures for whom chaimail bikinis would make any sense are fire elementals.

That is why Annah wears so little in PS:T She is a tiefling, hence, fiery.

02-05-2003, 08:59 PM	#31
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 44 Posts: 1,163	The only creatures for whom chaimail bikinis would make any sense are fire elementals. They can't wear cloth, since it would burn up (unless it was woven from rockwool or asbestos). They can only wear things that allows the passage of air (otherwise they will choke themselves). __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

02-06-2003, 04:36 PM	#35
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	I, too, am more fond of lighter armor, simply because I prefer agressive blocking to passive. I've got a pair of leather gloves with chainmail sewn to the backs, and with these and a pair of bracers with iron bars impregnated within the leather, I'm good to go. (A mail shirt would be nice to go over the jerkin, but I'm fine with just leather.) With this gear and a staff, I can block/dodge/outrun pretty much any attack, and my own atacks have both power and range. BUT. It works great in single combat, but if I was taking part in a massive melee and trying to keep track of 3 or 4 guys at a time, I would be SO screwed. That's where personal mobility goes flying out the window, and passive blocking (plate mail) comes in. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

02-06-2003, 04:53 PM	#36
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	Well, now that this has become about armor to wear rather than armor to look at, I too am fond of lighter armor. The fighting I've done has been in light armor w/ 2 swords or 1 sword (I'm not too big on shields - I'd rather be blocking w/ a sword even though it's harder). In lighter armor I could literally tap-dance around a foe and beat on his back with ratan swords. Of course, heavily armored folks could take a LOT of my hits, and with each one from them I had one new bruise to whimper about the next day. __________________

02-06-2003, 08:12 PM	#38
Arias De'Minal Manshoon Join Date: January 23, 2003 Location: Ky Age: 47 Posts: 166	Anyone here played Dark Alliance for Ps2?? Take the armour off of the elf. You arnt going to beet that. __________________ IGNORANCE IS POWER

02-05-2003, 10:06 PM	#33
Butterfingers Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: November 30, 2002 Location: Five Flagons Inn Posts: 633	Speaking soley from personal experience. I HATE wearing heavy armor. I have worn plated mails, never once did I actually like doing so. You sacrifice to much for that amount of protection. If you get knocked over, you have no chance in hell of getting back to your feet by your self in the heavier plates like Gothic and Field Plate. You can't bend your arms enough to scratch your own nose hardly. It's a real pain in the ass. Personally, I have always been fond of a studded leather jerkin or jack. It's a double layer of leather with little bits of iron or steel between the layers, riveted to hold the leather together. The weight distribution is good. It will block some arrows, deflect smaller lighter blades, and, even offers a little protection from fearsome mace blows. A little is better then none, and, you could get lucky. Cover this with a chainmail vest, no sleeves, and, a knee length chainmail skirt. Add iron plated bracers to add some protection to your arms, some greaves, and a nice sallet or a typical Norman brainpan, and, you are good to go really. You have mobility. (I was able to do cartwheels in this set up) You have decent protection. You will have to rely heavily on parrying and blocking however. Arm your self accordingly. Get a nice spear, a poleaxe, or perhaps use a shield along with an axe, mace, or flail. Use the axe for chainmail or lightly armored foes, use mace or flail for folks with heavier armor. In the battlefield, the mace and the flail were the great equilizer. You did not need to worry about piercing armor, a strong stunning blow could knock a foe over. It would also create a shockwave rippling through his armor and his body. Meaning that many of his bones would break from the sheer brutal force of the blow. However, DO NOT PLAN ON GOING OUT ON A DATE after wearing this. You will still stink three ways to Sunday. Also, personal side note. If you want your own suit of armor, you can make your own personal studded leather jack. You need lots of leather, enough to make two coats, either a whole bunch of pennies or high grade industrial washers, and, some kind of riveter. Rivet one leather coat, then, sew the other one over the top of it. Turn it inside out to make sure the rivet nubs are away from your skin, protruding from the leather of the coat. Make sure you have REALLY tough fingers. Also, chainmail is pretty easy to get if you know where to look. You can frequently find it at a fireplace retail and supply. Lots of fireplaces have chainmail drapes hanging down to catch sparks. You can buy whole sheets of it. Clip it to desired shape, and, hook it together with other pieces. It is commonly made of high grade 440 carbon steel, which is actually pretty darn good. Beware of chainweave, which is actually quite different from chainmail. Have fun, and, be responsible with sharp pointy objects.

02-05-2003, 10:19 PM	#34
Decurion The Magister Join Date: November 13, 2002 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 136	bump. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

02-06-2003, 05:17 PM	#37
Butterfingers Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: November 30, 2002 Location: Five Flagons Inn Posts: 633	When I did my stint with the SCA, only Pages and Squires fought with mock weapons. Knights (People of high rank who had fought a long time) fought with REAL weapons. I guess things have changed much now, to many people are making lawsuits. The real weapons were blunted though, no sharp edges, no spikes, nothing that could prove instantly fatal. We did real jousts and real tournies. Just like in the middle ages. The tournies were brutal bloody afairs. Broken bones and cuts were common. We regularly went to the ER. And in classic middle ages rules, we had a last man standing policy. We did not try to kill anybody, the rules of the game were to knock out or otherwise make it so your foes could not get back up and fight. I won 3 tournaments in the armor I described, 3 in one year. I was 2 wins away from breaking a record for most wins in a year. (Back in the 70's. I am sure the record has long since been broken) I took some real beatings in the pig pile fighting, but, I mostly relied on being tougher then a two dollar steak to get me out of the mess. Our largest gathering that year was a little over 50 people who took to the field. I was quite proud to take home the trophy that day. I had a broken wrist, many broken ribs, a hairline fracture in my jaw, and one eye was so swolen shut I sliced it open with a knife so I could see. (And it was dull.. It hurt an awful lot) It was a good year, I never did win another last man standing contest ever again. Six, with your armor and described fighting style, you sound like you would have been a natural in the Dueling Classes. I um, actually sort of suck at that. It's a lot easier for me to take on entire hoards then take on somebody one on one.

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