09-07-2004, 11:22 PM | #31 |
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Wow, Hiero. For a second there, I thought you just said that a/all human life wasn't important. But, I'm sure I just misread your post.
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09-07-2004, 11:25 PM | #32 | |
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You can't say you weren't warned. At least you didn't call them ragheads this time, but comments of the type you're making are not acceptable here - have a think about it during your two weeks off. [ 09-08-2004, 12:01 PM: Message edited by: Memnoch ] |
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Means to an end is again a subjective concept. The people that died at that school are not the important matter (in my eyes), neither is the hostage-taker's 'cause', nor the political or military reaction of their supposed opponents in the 'Russian' government. What matters is the expression of power, the primal display of conflict, and the method of its psychological justification. What strikes my eye is the exertion of dominance, and the way in which a group collectively validates its wrath through its conventional morality. Russian, Chechnyan, Kazak, American, Muslim, Christian, Capitalist, Communist.... they are all definitions of varying psychological blueprints. How do these blueprints interact? That's what I observe. The ideology of identity. How does it work? Emotions certainly come into play, but these in turn are governed by one's chosen, and trained identity. Society is preserved when servants and masters recognise who and what they are, and relegate themselves into their subsequent positions in their social hierarchies. The will to power is, and always has been, the binding force of life itself. Morality, subjective as it is, wraps itself around this principle, varying from person to person, time to time, place to place. But that's just my subjective opinion [/QUOTE]Mate, if I didn't know you better I'd say you were either stirring or sociopathic. Heiro's world - the oppressors and the oppressed. [ 09-08-2004, 04:53 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ] |
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09-08-2004, 10:41 AM | #37 | |
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09-08-2004, 11:21 AM | #38 |
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I think there are extremists in every society. But not every society is in as much turmoil as theirs. Its WRONG to do that but we can't apply our morality and logic to all. Simply pointless
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Hierophant:
"The Russian people are nothing! The Chechnyan people are nothing!" The Russian people exist. The Chechnyan people exist. The killing of Russian children by Chechnyan terrorist did occur. To deny this is to deny reality. "Social identity is a thin coat of paint peeling in the summer sun." Just a little over the top. [img]smile.gif[/img] "Dominate a people, control their minds, erase and rebuild their so-called 'history', and so shall you change their names and faces." Names are easy to change, faces stay the same. As for controlling their minds, it is much easier said than done. "But despite the constant evolution of popular identity, the will to power remains constant." As does the never ending desire to just live in peace. "The need to endure, to dominate, and to conquer, is what holds the strands of life together. Our discussion in this very thread is evidence of this." The evidence of this thread would seem to contradict this. It has been a free exchange of ideas. There has been no 'either agree with me or else'. What holds the strands of life together is language, expression, and knowledge. Without these 'a means to an end' would truely become the reality.
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What can we use to guide us if not our morality and logic?
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