01-13-2003, 03:43 PM | #31 | |
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[ 01-13-2003, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: Talthyr Malkaviel ]
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01-13-2003, 03:49 PM | #32 | |
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01-13-2003, 04:01 PM | #33 | |
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But more seriously- I agree with you Mr McSprout. As death is used in more and more circumstances, as punishment, as an allowable revenge, and also just a more regular occurence sadly, less worth seems to be placed on a life. On a somewhat related note, the death penalty is hardly the best deterrent, during the period of the Bloody Code in English history when people were publicly hanged it did not deter anyone, merely provided to some a literal day out for the average family. By degrading life, by ending it for the smallest of crimes, people merely grew accustomed to this- it deterred no one.
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01-13-2003, 04:08 PM | #34 | |
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01-13-2003, 04:33 PM | #35 | |
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There are many crimes, but only a tiny few are inconsistant with the continued life of the criminal, so while I support the death penalty, I only support it in certain instances. A child molester who kills the victims to hide the evidence of their crime is deserving of the death penalty, not just as a deterrant to others, but as insurance that they can't do it again. A woman who cheats on her husband doesn't deserver the death penalty, especially when similar actions by her husband would be acceptable or at worst punished by a slap on the wrist. Not only an over-punishment for the crime, but an injustice in the sentance based on the person's sex. Even worse that she could be punished in this manner for being the victim of a rape. In either case, I wouldn't advocate stoning.
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01-13-2003, 05:08 PM | #36 |
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Just so we don't get derailed with misunderstandings here:
In the good ole US of A, execution is only available as a punishment for 1. Murder that is 2. Premeditated, and in most instances 3. Unusually banal or egregious. Crimes in the heat of passion, accidental killing, manslaughter - none of these get you the death penalty. With the notable exception being felony murder - but that's a bit complicated for me to explain herein. |
01-13-2003, 05:19 PM | #37 | |
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01-13-2003, 05:22 PM | #38 |
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I think you're right on treason, but not on drugs. Mandatory minimums for drug-related crimes are rather draconian, but I don't think you can be executed (which I still note is a form of MURDER, despite MagiK's ability to cut-and-paste the entirety of the OED) for things that are simply related to [img]graemlins/bonghit.gif[/img]
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