01-09-2005, 07:00 PM | #31 |
Jack Burton
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I posted what I posted upon only having seen andrewas' link. I've now read your links too. I wasn't going to leave windows anyway. I've managed to securise it as much as possible for myself and as far as I can see nothing I don't want is getting past my protections.
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01-09-2005, 07:18 PM | #33 |
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Find me an article, not funded by open source... wait... there's no funding in open-source... hmm... Something wrong here, they don't have any legal links, as they're not a company... Meaning all articles about Linux vs Windows that are free are subject to be under the influence of open-source, therefor biased to Linux... Unless they're an indepentend magazine, or a site like tom's Hardware, but for software... Hmm... I've just been to one, mind you it's Croatian, and it has some nice things about Linux, but also about Windows as well. And if I put my heart to it, I think I'm bound to find a few on english as well... but Frankly honey.. I don't give a damn.
This is one of the oldest debates known to man! It will never end, it will never find a conclusion. Why? Microsoft is too powerfull to kill, and open-source is too distributed to be fogotten. And if there is somehow going to be an end, it's not going to be on a forum that's main focus is roleplaying games. Guys, I really do respect the crusades and all, and I do believe that Microsoft has some issues it has to take care of, but this is like "My dad is better than your dad!"
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01-09-2005, 07:38 PM | #34 |
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And for the Mac gang... here's a pro-MAC article that smacks around both Linux AND Windows.
http://www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/framese...ess/051104.php Pretty interesting article actually. Lemmon I find/you find/he finds/she finds... ANYONE can find an article saying just about anything they want on the internet. As I've said all along, I'm glad Linux (and the Mac too for that matter) is out there providing a viable alternative to Windows (A company I'm not overly fond of... very predatory). Just flagging the crusaders who have an agenda to point out every flaw in windows while ignoring the warts in their OS of love. My standard disclaimer - Don't trust the prophets, do the research and come to your own conclusions. For me (a person who doesn't have to pay out of pocket for my OS decisions) Windows is my general use OS, Linux is a toy, and hopefully soon I'll have a Mac to play with. If I was personally paying for my software I'd be using Linux, although on the one system I'd really LIKE to use linux on I can't for lack of drivers (Dual Opteron workstation, of course there are 64 bit Windows drivers missing too) and I'd have to pay for the OS (SuSe 64-bit Enterprise... could not find any free distributions). |
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Start some program with root privliges, the program binds the port(s), listens, and then calls setuid() and setgid() and friends to drop root privliges. At this point it should still be able to call accept() on the ports, but it will not still have root privliges. However everytime you start aMSN, Thunderbird, Firefox, xChat, et al. you are opening a hole that could in theory allow someone who has compromised that porgram to do all sorts of nasty things. I suspect that you're undergoing the same thing that you accuse windows users of doing, ignoring things because they are happening outside of plain sight. Like I origionally said, security is all smoke and mirrors. The holes in Linux security are harder to get to, and difficult to exploite, but there are still holes, and I feel it is only a matter of time before someone comes up with a way to get at them. Quote:
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01-09-2005, 09:09 PM | #36 |
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I just got a new PC and upgraded from W98 to XP w/SP2. Under 98 I never had a virus or suffered from an attack and only had one case of spyware due to user error
So how does a fellow like me who's programing expirience is Basic ( circa 1985) and Scripting for NWN plug these reported holes in Windows XP? Does the firewall with my router and the software firewall I use do the job, in addition to being overly cautious about email attachments and using spyware killers like adaware and SBS&D, ect.? What in reality and in lay-terms should I be worried about?
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01-09-2005, 09:17 PM | #37 |
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Regards the down load of SP2. Just ask Microsoft for a free copy of SP2 and they will send. Three days after asking a nice shiny CD arrived from Hong Kong (and I am sure that the CD has been given away free with PC mags before now.)
off topic.... It was funny to see a product from Microsoft telling you to distribute to everyone you know, instead of the usual copy this and we will shoot you [img]tongue.gif[/img] I am about to install SP2 tomorrow, any tips on which (if any) options to choose while installing it would be nice. And on a side note I find the articles you post Lenoncook intresting. Much better than the spam that some posters get away with.
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When I jump to a virt term, and log in as me, then 'ncftp wherever', it is starting with root privaledges even though it is not bieng run as root? Sorry, no. Quote:
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A serious hacker will still get in to a Linux system, yes, but they aren't the most dangerous threat to the average user. The viruses, the worms, the trojans... that isn't the hallmark of someone who wants information. That isn't the behavior of someone who wants specific information from a specific machine. It represents someone who just wants to revel in the damage they can do. The way to stop this is to 1) Limit the number of ways they can get in, and 2) Limit the amount of damage they can do if they achieve this. (spyware is, ofcourse, a different beast) Linux, by virtue of enforcing its multi-user privaledge system, is almost immune in this regard to everything except user error (error to the extent of doing everything as root). Windows, on the other hand, seems to be a script kiddy's dream: easy to get at, plenty of room for damage, and a large user base to boot. And Microsoft don't seem to be doing a thing about it, except reminding the user that they aren't safe. |
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I'm definitely going to check out Openoffice. Gotta love free stuff that is as good and versatile as the pay stuff! We already use Avast, which is also free, quite excellent, and hasn't pulled any of NAV's stupid tricks that caused hours of work installing and reinstalling just for simple protection. Plus Norton actually tried to charge my wife to re-download software we had already paid for in order to jump through the re-install hoops! That's when I finally persuaded her to give it up for Avast.
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