10-14-2003, 03:17 AM | #31 | |
Jack Burton
Join Date: May 31, 2002
Location: Ireland
Posts: 5,854
|
Quote:
__________________
Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon... |
|
10-14-2003, 11:44 AM | #32 | |
Fzoul Chembryl
Join Date: July 11, 2002
Location: Limbo
Age: 44
Posts: 1,720
|
Quote:
__________________
*peek-a-boo* |
|
10-14-2003, 12:03 PM | #33 |
Knight of the Rose
|
SpiritWarrior that is exactly the kind of statement I was cautioning against. I hope the mods are monitoring this thread. I'd hate to see it turn into a fire fight.
__________________
"When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com |
10-14-2003, 12:59 PM | #34 | |
Ironworks Moderator
Join Date: February 28, 2001
Location: Boston/Sydney
Posts: 11,771
|
Quote:
[ 10-14-2003, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: Memnoch ] |
|
10-14-2003, 01:12 PM | #35 | |
Ironworks Moderator
Join Date: March 1, 2001
Location: Upstate NY USA
Posts: 19,737
|
Quote:
Such 'stereotypes' and generalizations are offensive and hardly the case for myself, my church or more than half the Christians I know and deal with. And like most generalizations of the kind, it is very insulting to those who don't conform to the narrow 'descriptions' put forth.
__________________
"Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace) |
|
10-14-2003, 01:15 PM | #36 | |
Jack Burton
Join Date: May 31, 2002
Location: Ireland
Posts: 5,854
|
Quote:
I will tell you that the people make up the church. The alternate statement you made "heavenly father gave us the church" is subject to opinion and may be disagreed with by anyone who does not believe in the "heavenly father". This is not a bash at you or any other religion but in fact, my own belief system. To avoid further public offense I would be more than happy to take this conversation into PM with you if you so wish. [ 10-14-2003, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: SpiritWarrior ]
__________________
Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon... |
|
10-14-2003, 01:40 PM | #37 | ||
Ironworks Moderator
Join Date: March 1, 2001
Location: Upstate NY USA
Posts: 19,737
|
Quote:
Memnoch posted: Quote:
[ 10-14-2003, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]
__________________
"Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace) |
||
10-14-2003, 01:46 PM | #38 |
Ironworks Moderator
Join Date: March 1, 2001
Location: Upstate NY USA
Posts: 19,737
|
SpiritWarrior, the same can be said of non-religious groupings. Power is power- you don't need to claim spiritual intervention to be aspiring toward it or seizing it.
Harkoliar- it was a nice try! I understood the point! I surely don't talk to God as much as I should or could. Thanks for posting!
__________________
"Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace) |
10-14-2003, 01:55 PM | #39 | |
Jack Burton
Join Date: May 31, 2002
Location: Ireland
Posts: 5,854
|
Quote:
__________________
Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon... |
|
10-14-2003, 01:56 PM | #40 | |
Zartan
Join Date: July 18, 2001
Location: America, On The Beautiful Earth
Age: 51
Posts: 5,373
|
Quote:
Replace the word "Christian" in your post with "some religions" and you have touched upon an excellent issue for discussion, that is the use of guilt as a control device. Guilt for feeling/being sexual, Guilt for drinking, smoking, or cussing, guilt for wanting and having material possessions, heck, some go as far a as guilt for simply being born. The other powerful form of control you forgot to mention is fear. This goes hand in hand with guilt. The things one would feel guilty about are also the things that would land them eternal damnation at worst or kad karma at least. Eternal damanation is certainly something that would inspire long agonizing torturous fear. What does this have to do with God? Thats a good question, but lets ask some other questions first.... I ask myself... Does god want me to be fearful and full of guilt? Does God really not want me to enjoy my sexuality, the abundace of the earth, and the full realm of sensation? Will God actually punish me forever because I lived the life of a curious, feeling, wanting being? Then it dawns on me... I believe that God is good, even as a hypothetical, and in no way would a good parental diety rig the game of life so enjoying a few pleasures or making a few temporal misteps would land me a sentence of eternal suffering. Thats just bad parenting IMHO. Therefore these schemes of guilt and fear must have been concocted by...*drum roll*...People!
__________________
Support Local Music and Record Stores! Got Liberty? |
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Need a friend | Larry_OHF | NWN Mod: Escape from Undermountain | 10 | 10-26-2003 07:20 PM |
best friend | dark_angel_of_mine | General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) | 18 | 05-11-2003 10:44 AM |
looking for friend | Cristian | Baldurs Gate II: Shadows of Amn & Throne of Bhaal | 3 | 05-15-2002 09:24 AM |
A friend to a friend.. plz read!! | Harkoliar | General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) | 6 | 11-16-2001 11:54 PM |
The End, My only Friend, the end | wyrmslayer | Icewind Dale | Heart of Winter | Icewind Dale II Forum | 2 | 07-22-2000 11:01 PM |