09-23-2001, 06:07 PM | #31 |
Emerald Dragon
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I been wondoring here to post this and I think this shall be the place.
I understand that this so called 'war' on terrorism will happen, even if they give Bin Laden over but I do not agree with it. The very act of moving US forces will kill thousands of innocents, Afghanistan is on the verge of famine and around 20% of the population is estimated to starve to death by the end of this year. That number will probably rise now that people have stopped trying to grow food and now that aid organisations have pulled out. The planned strategic bombing will probably be useless, Afghanistan has not infrastructure to bomb and if the training camps are found they will contain only a few troops if any. The 'higher-ups' will be in safe locations, some not even in Afghanistan. Also many he has training camps outside Afghanistan, in areas that are sympathetic to his cause like Pakistan. Any planned insertion of ground troops will only lead to attack by the Talaben (if they haven't attacked all ready.) and probably the rebels’ factions who might see it as an invasion of their country. This 'war' will also be fought as a Griller war, which America wasn't fought since Vietnam and will probably last until winter. Since Afghanistan is a mountain nation it winters are harsh, and all of these factions will lead to heavy losses for the US. These actions may also strengthen the Talaban control, as I heard that they were close to entering a civil war between various generals who seek power. Also 'others' outside Afghanistan will perform more attacks on US soil and that of any who support them. This whole thing will only lead to a lot more deaths on both sides. ------------------ Hodge-podge Sliver Cleric of the ALSB |
09-23-2001, 06:14 PM | #32 | |
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I am not saying a military action should be our only response, but it is needed! We have been attacked on a scale that dwarfs any other terrorist attack in history...sure when you strip it away terrorism is terrorism, but this is not a bomb on the subway that killed and hurt a couple of people...more people died in this 1 attack then all of the people that have died as a result of terrorism in Northern Ireland. We do need a unilateral response to terrorism, but you know as well as I do that all talk and no action will not work. For years we have been talking and talking, holding our meetings and passing our legislation and look at what it got us...numerous collapsed or destroyed bldgs, 4 destroyed planes, 6000+ people dead and millions of others irrevocably harmed! Terrorists do not read legislation, nor do they abide by our laws...they understand killing and that is it! Also, what do we do with terrorists that aren't afraid to die? How do we capture them? They are willing to die and they would die (often taking a lot of people with them) rather than being caught! We cannot simply go in and arrest him with the local police force...and he is not going to "come out with his hands up"...he is going to fight and fight dirty and the only way to stop that is with a military force. We need a long-term strategy, but we also need a short-term solution to at least hold at bay the terrorists that we know are out there, scheming and planning their next attack on innocents! ------------------ Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig I've got to admit it's getting better, it's getting better all the time Bossman of Better Funny Stuff.....of the Laughing Hyenas! |
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09-23-2001, 06:24 PM | #33 | |
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09-23-2001, 06:29 PM | #34 |
Manshoon
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the last 2 posts answer fully my pacifist attitude. particularly silver cheetah's response re the ira. i was about to say the same thing and have done on a different thread.
britain has fought with the ira for 30 years'. they're on our doorstep and we can't stop their attacks though our forces have tried many and varied ways to do so. negotiation and trying to understand and stop pissing off and exploiting other nations would be a good starting point rather than a need for revenge attacks. anyway, they haven't happened yet, and hopefully they won't. if enough of us get out there and protest about it, maybe we can make a difference. it's just a thought, but maybe peaceful protest and a call for discussion and understanding might be a better option than death. death meaning the irrevocable loss of life, continued existance and conciousness gone. that's it. innocent lives gone forever. dead. deceaced. no more. DEAD. i don't want that on my conscience if the government i didn't elect support the us in military action. therefore i have no choice but to keep on standing around on street corners with a banner. the idea of useless and senseless DEATH makes me feel totally and completely sick. |
09-23-2001, 06:31 PM | #35 |
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check.
gabriel and silver cheetah's posts answer the pacifist voice in my soul. |
09-23-2001, 06:50 PM | #36 | |
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09-23-2001, 07:09 PM | #37 | |
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We need to stop with the rhetoric, and snap reactions, and take a long cold hard look at what needs to be done on a global scale to stop terrorism. Anyway,I'm bowing out of this discussion for the time being, because like pretty much everyone else, I just seem to be repeating myself over and over and over again! Goodnight ducks. ------------------ |
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09-23-2001, 07:16 PM | #38 |
Manshoon
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tancred
you may be fully prepared to go along with that model of human existance as acceptable. i'm not. i think that if we've learned nothing from history then perhaps we all deserve to kiss our asses goodbye because we've chosen to go along with the decicions of others'. i've seen too much of it before. when i see people suffer and die i can't harden my heart to them. i can't and i don't want to. if i ever become so cold hearted and disdainful of others' right to live i hope someone puts a bullet between my eyes. |
09-23-2001, 07:21 PM | #39 | |
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09-23-2001, 07:23 PM | #40 |
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then i pity you
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