Define "intrusive software":

[Luvian]

Originally Posted by Micah Foehammer The fact that NWN1 had Securom bundled with it was known FIVE years ago, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if Atari published NWN1 and it had securom that NWN2 might ALSO have it.

There's plenty of different game protection, it's entirely possible they could have changed it, and with all the bitching that apparently went on about it the first time around, that would probably have been the smart thing to do.

RTB is getting copy protection errors. What do you think is responsible for creating copy protection errors? Windows Media player? Word pad? Maybe Winamp? Photoshop? Or how about the copy protection program that was installed coincidentally when his problems started? (duh) I don't know why you are so obsessed with this but you're not looking at things logically here if you honestly don't see the link.

[Micah Foehammer]

Originally Posted by Luvian There's plenty of different game protection, it's entirely possible they could have changed it, and with all the bitching that apparently went on about it the first time around, that would probably have been the smart thing to do.

It might have been smart to do it but to expect that they would have NO copy protection on it is assinine! We are talking about Atari for pete's sake. And in fact, if you think they MIGHT have switched it, then it would have been even MORE prudent to check what system they are using as the most popular altenative is even WORSE - Starforce.

Sorry you don't agree, but I think everyone who buys software needs to under stand exactly what they buying. For pete's sake, you check the system specs to make sure it runs on your system don't you? You would think you MIGHT want to know what copy protection system it uses too! THAT would be the smart thing to do.

I don't know why you are so obsessed with this but you're not looking at things logically here if you honestly don't see the link.

I don't see any point in discussing this with you. You've made up your mind. Sent you a pm.

[Luvian]

The system requirements are written on the box, the copy protection is not, nor do they ever tell you during installation that they are secretly installing standalone software on your computer.

[Kakero]

You are pulling my leg? NWN1 got SecuROM? Bloody hell!! I didn't even know that!

I only know about SecureROM from NWN2 when people from this forum complaining about it. Hence I didn't buy the game until now. When NWN1 was released many years back, I didn't see anybody complaining about SecuROM whatsoever. I bought NWN1 and happily installed it and played it even.

[SpiritWarrior]

There was a huge thread on the NWN1 forums back in the day about it. People threatening to sue Atari because it was preventing them from making backups of their game, and then a slew of various problems with securerom generally.

[robertthebard]

I don't even have WinAmp... So I guess it's not that. In fact, this computer, for all it's harddrive, is fairly barren. Bare minimum stuff, set up that way by the guys that built it, so that I could hopefully smoke NWN 2. I have a DVD burner, but I don't even have a DVD player software installed, as I said, bare minimum. The funny thing is, this PC did smoke it. It's not until I started having issues that I got fed up. So, yes, while I wasn't having problems, I was looking at what things could have been done better/differently about the game, all in my opinion, of course.

The big thing is, now that I have all this time on my hands, when I can actually be at the computer, I don't have much else to do, and when I try to do something on a PC that literally blows my old one out of the water, and it won't do it, I start looking for differences. This is the part that really amuses me about this discussion. I know from reading the Securom FAQ at OE's BioWare forums that the version of Securom used in NWN 2 is as different from the version used in NWN as NWN is from NWN 2.

However, it seems that it's expected that while technology advanced everywhere else, Securom stayed the same. If it had, I probably wouldn't have the problems. If I didn't have the problems, then no, I wouldn't have posted this thread. This thread concerns the problems I'm having, that I can't connect to anything else. I've been using Nero to burn CD's since I got the software a year and a half ago, or so. I've only had this computer since May, and I had never tried to burn any CD's prior to my posting of this thread. It's a legitimate complaint, with a seemingly logical cause. The main difference in my software environment now, other than the huge void on this harddrive, is the NWN 2 install of Securom.

I guess I could say that, contrary to what the license says, the license really expired. It does say unlimited burns, however, and so far as I know, one burn is far from unlimited, and I didn't get to finish that one. So, if there's another explanation, I'd sure like to hear it. Just a side point as well, it won't let me burn the track in Windows Media Player either. So what gives?

[Luvian]

Try downloading the trial version of another burning software and see if that one can burn songs. Also, the song in your screenshot is a commercial one. Try burning one made from scratch by yourself and see if it does make a difference.

Also all joking aside you can actually try uninstalling Windows Media Player. It does monitor these things and I guess something could have messed it up.

So basically try these steps:

1: Try burning your own song. Does it work?
2: Uninstall WMA and try the song again. Does it work?
3: Download a trial software and try again. Does it work?

Also, and this may be the more important part, go in your control pannel and check for the Icon called "Nero Burn Rights". Open it. make sure everyone has burn right, that the little checkbox down the window is checked, then click re-initialize burn rights.

[robertthebard]

The initial post in this thread originated from trying to burn a few CD's of my own music. The screenies are from a subsequent test, trying to figure out what was going on. However, I haven't tried the burn rights thing, and will look into it, as soon as the marching band moves out of my head again.

I can't find that entry in either the Windows Control Panel, or the Nero. Of course, I can barely find the key board right now, so that's not surprising. I'll have to check in with it later.

[Luvian]

You'll find it under the classic style display of the windows xp control panel.

[wellard]

Originally Posted by Micah Foehammer The fact that NWN1 had Securom bundled with it was known FIVE years ago, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if Atari published NWN1 and it had securom that NWN2 might ALSO have it. It wasn't a secret Luvian. That is a total misrepresentation of the facts imo.

Wow nwn1 had this crap bundled onto it? I never knew either, and why would I? I have looked at the box the game comes in down here in OZ and nope! it is not mentioned either. So why should joe average consumer be expected to have crystal balls that make him see things that are hidden. I am frankly stunned by your post Micah :d

Yes this software was and IS a secret and to suggest otherwise is a total misrepresentation of the facts :p