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[beetle2]

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[Alson]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: The Remix version is iffy, as it contains mods for the improved boss fights and cheats as well( which is not my intention when I direct people to the fixpack). If they seperated the fixpack from those, then I might consider linking to there instead.

I see your point Dundee, but don't forget that most people who needs the Baldurdash patch are new to the game - most of the "veterans" already have it.
The remix is a WeiDU mod, making it much easier to install, and as such, better for newbies.
All the other things in the remix are optional, anyway.

[Dundee Slaytern]

The thing is, I will have to explain which are bugfixes, and which are cheats. The Baldurdash website made it into a clear distinction by seperating the two onto two webpages. This program has it all on one program. I am not exaggerating when I say my instructions will be ignored and the person will just click on the link and let temptation guide him/her. Add the fact that the veterans seem to support it( by linking to it), and you compound the issue.

I do not support cheating, but I will not condemn those who do( not openly anyway [img]tongue.gif[/img] ). So I will not link to that page. Some might say I am being too uppity, but this is how I see it.

[jcompton]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: I do not support cheating, but I will not condemn those who do( not openly anyway [img]tongue.gif[/img] ). So I will not link to that page. Some might say I am being too uppity, but this is how I see it.

Okay. Well, how I see it is that you're not pointing people to the latest fixes: there are several in Remix that aren't on Dorner's page. So I think in trying to be more helpful by "protecting" them from cheats, you're actually being less helpful than you think, because you're pointing people to versions that will damage other mods if they've already got them installed. They're missing out on fixes that affect everything from a significant portion of Imoen's dialogue in TOB to the way the game's music runs.

[ 09-06-2002, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: jcompton ]

[Lharae]

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[Alson]

Jason, you are absolutely right.

Oh, and a bump, of course.

[LennonCook]

Bump.

[Andrew Mcveigh]

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(by the way, there's a secret message in this song)

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by jcompton: Okay. Well, how I see it is that you're not pointing people to the latest fixes: there are several in Remix that aren't on Dorner's page. So I think in trying to be more helpful by "protecting" them from cheats, you're actually being less helpful than you think, because you're pointing people to versions that will damage other mods if they've already got them installed. They're missing out on fixes that affect everything from a significant portion of Imoen's dialogue in TOB to the way the game's music runs.

Hmmmm... I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. However, I generally advise people to patch first, then mod, not the other way round due to the fact that mods modify the game in ways not intended by the game creators. If they have mods installed already, then I usually tell them to uninstall first to allow for proper patching, then reinstall the mod.

I have both patches and mods, and I have not encounter any serious problems yet( save some unusual bugs from the sola mod, but I think that was because I was using an old version. Updated already).

[jcompton]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: Hmmmm... I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. However, I generally advise people to patch first, then mod, not the other way round due to the fact that mods modify the game in ways not intended by the game creators. If they have mods installed already, then I usually tell them to uninstall first to allow for proper patching, then reinstall the mod.

Well, yes. The Bioware patch will virtually always kill mods.

And Baldurdash patches often will as well, but that is a function of their old-school overwriting nature which has been brought into the glorious new age of enlightenment by Baldurdash Remix. It is still a good idea to do Remix before other mods but it is no longer so dramatically important.

Oh well. I'll just keep jumping into threads telling people where to get the most up to date Baldurdash, then.