An interesting idea for Convicts/inmates

[Orbost]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ilander:
[QB] Well, I hate to be the humanitarian voice, here, but this kind of goes against the typical modern sentiments of imprisonment. Imprisonment, nowadays, exists to keep dangerous individuals out of society. It's more of a system designed to protect the public than it is a system to punish.


I'm with Ilander here. I find it pretty shocking that prisoners would be treated in such a fashion. This sort of treatment only increases the prisoners sense of isolation from society, and makes it harder for them to re-enter 'normal' life upon their release. If they are treated like animals when inside, they are more likely to act like animals on the outside.

How successful is this prison scheme? Are the prisoners any less likely to reoffend? Anyone have any hard data?

[Ilander]

I would like to see that same data, Orbost. As far as your point, armageddon, I will say this: that is exactly what I mean. The modern sentiment, to me, says very little about what we should do with prisoners while they are incarcerated. Some would like them to be rehabilitated, and indeed, some prisoners are. Some would like them to be punished and broken to the point of being incapable, through fear of returning, of committing crime.

The way the system ACTUALLY works, though, is that many are released with neither, and may very well continue to be a danger to society.

[Orbost]

Originally posted by Ilander: I would like to see that same data, Orbost. As far as your point, armageddon, I will say this: that is exactly what I mean. The modern sentiment, to me, says very little about what we should do with prisoners while they are incarcerated. Some would like them to be rehabilitated, and indeed, some prisoners are. Some would like them to be punished and broken to the point of being incapable, through fear of returning, of committing crime. The way the system ACTUALLY works, though, is that many are released with neither, and may very well continue to be a danger to society.

It's a difficult moral question. From a purely economic point of view, if prisoners can be rehabiliated and reintroduced as working, tax paying members of society, this is far cheaper than keeping in jail for the rest of their lives. And if they are going to be released, better that they leave prison with skills and a sense of self-esteem. For that reason I come down firmly on the rehabilitation side of the argument.

Sadly human nature seems to have given us a thirst for revenge. The desire to see people punished for what they have done often, in my opinion, leads people to call for overly harsh treatment or long sentences. The vast majority of prisoners are not in jail for extreme crimes (such as rape or murder), but for car theft, drug possession and other 'softer' crimes.

Fundamentally I believe that people deserve a second chance, and that people can change and lead good lives.

[Link]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by Link: quote: Originally posted by Gangrell: quote: He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"

He couldn't have said it better. [/QUOTE]Hmpf.. I think it's a stupid argument. What the hell does Iraq have to do with anything. [/QUOTE]Let's see if you can make the link here.
Both are in the desert.
Both are hot places.
Both parites are living in severe, harsh conditions.
One group signed a dotted line, and swore an oath.
The other group broke an oath and walks a dotted line. [/QUOTE]Ok, Felix, let the military mind of yours go for a while and try to see it from my viewpoint, okay? Iraq has nothing to do with the way federal prisons work. Prisoners are not comparable to soldiers in Iraq. We know you guys are in Iraq, and we know that you're having a hard time, but there's no need to bring it up every time! It's like each time someone complains about America, the immediate answer is "Look at Iraq! Look at how good we are being to the world!" That's not even an argument, let alone a good one!

[Hivetyrant]

Originally posted by Marikai: However, Hivetyrant pointed out that it was too large in size (420kb - limit is 150kb) So it's gone ~Marikai

Aww man, now I sound like a villan
I was trying to be nice [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Gnarf]

Originally posted by Gangrell: quote: Originally posted by Link: quote: Originally posted by Gangrell: quote: He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"

He couldn't have said it better. [/QUOTE]Hmpf.. I think it's a stupid argument. What the hell does Iraq have to do with anything. [/QUOTE]Link, what he's saying is that if people will do it out of their own free will in even hotter environments with no criminal record, the prisoners shouldn't complain because they have to do it because they deserve it. [/QUOTE]They should also be raped, as others are having sex outa their own free will :\

[Q'alooaith]

Originally posted by Morgeruat: quote: Originally posted by Q'alooaith: Hmmm, don't work so well when it's below zero outside, but still a nice idea..

The article mentioned it, but it's in Arizona, a very warm place in the US [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]


I was talking more along the lines of how the system while good for the area which it is situated in, would be less suitable for transfer to other areas..


Personaly I'd like to see more prisons like this, but also some that are more leinent..

So you've got the realy nasty places for reoffenders and lifers, and the slightly nicer ones for petty first timers..

Prison is meant to be punishment, if you are in you have been found guilty of a crime, a criminal if you will, you are an animal untill you re earn your basic human rights.

[Gnarf]

Prison is meant to be punishment, if you are in you have been found guilty of a crime, a criminal if you will, you are an animal untill you re earn your basic human rights.

Lol. As a matter of fact, all humans are humans. Seems like you simply don't support human rights, so you might as well put it that way...

[Hivetyrant]

But what if someone is wrongly accused?
Can we really treat them all like animals, if we arnt sure they are guilty?
Sure there are cases where we KNOw they are guilty, but often people are wrongly accused...

[LennonCook]

Originally posted by Hivetyrant: But what if someone is wrongly accused?

That is what the courts are for.