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As I said... we may not like it but their system is far more effective at solving this particular problem than anything our "kinder, gentler" societies can come up with. |
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You also see less of it when unreported honor killings remove the shame without anyone being the wiser.
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Or anyone being the winner.
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Yup... we absolutely can hate the implementation but that doesn't change the fact that it IS possible to make consequences "Work" (which was the point)... you just need to make the consequences significant enough (something we are unwilling to do in the west).
I don't think there's anything to be done about the problem which would fit our current sense of "right and wrong" here in the west. Even my flippant comment about mandatory birth control would result in a firestorm of outrage if any politician actually had the audacity to mention it as a possiblity. |
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Uh, Thoran, I think they were DISAGREEING with you by saying that it still happens, but that the pregnant girls just happen to mysteriously vanish and never be seen again. Or happen to have miscarriages out of the blue.
The problem with the birth control thing would also be the fact that, to the best of my knowledge, a lot of birth control things can cause hormonal upsets, which is really not what teenagers or younger need. Hormonal screw-ups can have negative consequences for physical development and mental stability. Teenagers can be wierd enough as it is without the mental problems associated with growing up being exacerbated. You also have yet to quote numbers that actually prove your assertion. Hearsay and anecdotes do not count, get us a study with proper methodology before you make these sorts of claims. |
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As for putting the baby up for adoption, I would file for custody and raise the child myself. It would be my grandchild and I would have a legal claim to the child if my daughter forfeited her parental rights.
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Pregnant girls diappearing... lol... nice straw man. If 1 teenage girl disappeared in the Middle East for every 50 Teen Pregnancies in a similar sized chunk of the West -well- there'd be no women left in the middle east. You can't take a horrible occurance that happens in very small percentages and compare it to the commonplace as though they're equal. My very logical assertion was that teenage pregnancy has been reduced in the Middle East due to the level of punishment and total lack of social acceptance for the behavior. Frankly... your assertion is by far the more extreme... I would like to see YOUR numbers comparing the occurances of 'disappearing' young women in the middle east and see how well they stack up to the millions of easily documented teenage pregnancies in the west. You want studies, spend 10 seconds doing a google search for teenage pregnancy, compare that to the occurances of 'honor killings', do the math. I make the claim because I know darn well that teen pregnancy in the middle east is probably 50 times less likely to occur than teen pregnancy in the west. I've been there a number of times, I know how those folks live... the controls on teenage behavior (at least sexual... you should see them drive their sports cars around though... MANIACS). My assertion might be flawed, heck I may be off by an entire factor of 2. At that point I'll have to admit that I'm only... ahh... right by a factor of 25 instead of 50. In the analysis... the likelyhood that I'm totally off and pregnancy's just as likely in the middle east compared to here is basically zero... and I'd LOVE to see a report... ANY report that claims it isn't. At this point there's no contraception that could be considered safe... especially for developing children, but in high risk areas the risk/benefit might tip in favor of using something like the subcutaneous version of the Pill... which by all reports has proven very safe. Of course the point is moot... who in their right mind would allow the state to gain so much control over our lives that such a draconian measure could ever be realistically taken? It was more of a wistful thought... that there could be a 'silver bullet' that could fix such a complex problem in one fell swoop. |
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I am not making a claim, here, I am merely saying what I believe other people were trying to tell you. Ask them for their numbers, if I were right.
And you are still not supplying yours, when you have numbers backing up your statement, then we'll talk about whether it's correlation or coincidence. You live in NY and you've VISITED the Middle East, unless you've actually lived there for longer periods I doubt you'd know the issue just from that. And let's not forget about dangerous back-alley abortions, that'd sure hide things well, too. We also do not need to back up our claims, our claim is the baseline, that people are people across the world, with little variety in certain aspects. A deviation from the expected and accepted is what needs to be proven. I do not, for example, need to prove that the sky is blue or that you need air to breathe, however you would need to prove assertions to the opposite. |
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