Iraq stuffs up another hanging

[Memnoch]

Ok, enough with the handbagging. Stick to the topic. If you two want to carry on like pork chops, exchange email addresses so you don't bother everyone else. Any more handbagging in this thread and it'll be locked and yellow cards will be issued out (it's been a long time, I have to go find my yellow cards ).

I've noticed a bit of Muslim bashing around here lately, let's avoid that. We have a moratorium for a reason - this is it. I was hoping that we could talk about religion-related world events in the Mideast in a sensible manner, but obviously we can't.

Timber (and Johnny), please leave off the namecalling of Muslims. We don't have many Muslim members here, but I'm pretty sure they're not all retards. What you call them in your private lives is your own business. And Neb, leave off Timber. Any future posts of his which concern you from a content perspective, click on the Report Post button and someone will address it in time.

Now let's move on. I hope all posts after this one will be on-topic. As I said if you want to carry on your disagreement, do it offline or via PM. Cheers.

[ 01-19-2007, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

[Timber Loftis]

Yeah, on topic....

Empirical evidence suggests that Muslim cultures, once a source of enlightenment, have gone nowhere and added absolutely zero to the world since the fall of the remnants of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. Since that time they have gradually left reason by the wayside and instead backslid into mysogyny, anti-semetism, myth, propaganda.

While the notion of truthiness is a growing concern for America, where so much of what people believe to be true is based on belief and emotion and not facts, it is a way of life in the middle east.

I'll just let Glenn Beck make the arguments for me. Muslim countries have been overrun by extremism, and you need to look at their agenda and means of achieving that agenda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5422LKhSVTc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vCUC...elated&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rpgs...elated&search=

Here, he actually uses a Muslim r-tard to help establish their r-tardedness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqAhR...elated&search=

And, a fine example of r-tardedness, here's President Tommie Ahmadinetard praying for Armageddon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcam...elated&search=

Universally, Muslims hate Israel and all jews. Tell me if I've got this wrong, but I've not seen any Muslim groups sticking up for jews.

If they are allowed to universally hate a group of people, so am I.

Muslim societies are a cancor sore upon this planet, anathema to peaceful society, and as I understand it they tend to not only wish and pray for, but also work to bring about.... Armageddon.

They're the new lazy immigrants sucking up social resources in Europe and causing lots of social trouble by routinely beating their wives... which they can't seem to understand is not permissible in our land of infidels. They're the new trailer park trash of Europe.

At their very best, Muslim societies simply offer a haven for our companies where they can pay lower wages for menial labor, like those annoying computer "help" line people we all try to talk to for 5 minutes before saying "give me someone who I can understand, please."

These societies give nothing, accomplish nothing, do nothing, and contribute nothing. They are nothing more than a drain on the rest of the world. The only thing they have worth wanting is the oil some of them happen to be lucky enough to float on top of, and our leaders readily kneel down to perform fellatio to those Muslims, a sickening and disgusting habit that should be done away with... what ever happened to taking what we wanted instead of kissing ass for it? When did we conquerers and empire-builders become such pussies?

I have many more thoughts on this, but not much more time at present, nor the patience to keep trying to organize my thoughts on this issue.

And please note, everything I have said here goes to the socio-economics of Muslim societies -- I have not discussed (I hope) the religion of Muslimism. I think depending on your interpretation of that religion, it could have some problems as well, but perhaps the biggest problem is that there are generally 2 VASTLY different interpretations on that religion --- one of which wants to see the whole world in flames. Not good.

[johnny]

Just for the record, i'm not calling any muslims retards (basically because i don't know that many to begin with, thank goodness for that), but i'm calling Islam retarded, the whole purpose of it. I think religeon as a whole is something we could easily do without, but Islam is king of the hill in this category. But if that cannot be discussed either, i'll just leave it at that, it's all good with me.

[johnny]

Btw...TL pretty much summed it up, couldn't have said it better. Well, perhaps i could, but then i would be crossing a few lines.

[Morgeruat]

I also agree with Timber (for the same reasons and more), but then that shouldn't surprise anyone.

[Chewbacca]

Death is an everyday occurance in Iraq and Error has been a central theme since the United States purchased the place a few years back. Who cares if one mere dude's head was ripped off when it probably happens x100 everyday!? Relatively speaking this death is a drop in the death bucket. Really- I can care less about dead Iraqis. Screw them. We got rid of Saddam- who most of them allegedly hated, so now they can screw the place or love the place all they want. It is their's after all. None of my business(like it ever was in the first place- HAHAHAHAHA). What matters now is that Family gets home from that hell- not dead or worst.

[ 01-25-2007, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

[robertthebard]

On the original topic, dead is dead, what difference does it make? Is beheading some kind of insult in Islam? They seem to make use of it when it suits their needs.

[PurpleXVI]

Please don't conflate Al Qaeda or the insurgents with Islam in general. Islam that actually follows the Qu'ran has as much to do with Al Qaeda as Christianity had to do with Waco.

Not all Muslims follow, advocate or even like Sharia law.

Now, as for the beheading, the reason it's an insult is that it obviously shows no one even tried to give the man a dignified death. Don't you think Americans would take it differently whether I killed one or their soldiers in a gunfight or whether I cut open his corpse and used it as a toilet afterwards?

[robertthebard]

No, I wouldn't. If you want to impress me that way, cut him open while he's still alive, and use him for a toilet.

On the dignified death front, just how dignified were the deaths this man ordered? I'm not sure of all the details, but I'd guess that he was convicted in conjunction with the atrocities attributed to Sadam. They could have run him through a meat grinder, as far as I'm concerned, and not done justice for the people that died at his hands, or by his commands.

[PurpleXVI]

If we begin to say: "Well, they started it, so we're allowed to do the same!" then we lose all moral high ground, and we'll essentially be no better than them.