Man claiming to have bomb shot at Airport.

[Larry_OHF]

I bet nobody on that plane is upset that he got shot. I mean, who would really want to risk it?
I am in an airplane and a guy is running around shouting about blowing something up near or around me? Take him down!

If a man goes running about within earshot of me claiming to have a bomb and acting all crazy...man, I'll be hoping that marshal is a marksman. And about the bipolar disorder...that has not yet been confirmed, since one family member has said in another report that he knew nothing of any mental condition with the guy. And I know a bipolar woman. When she's mad about something, she can get very violent. It took three guys at church one day to stop her from ransacking the place.

[ 12-07-2005, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]

[Lanesra]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Are you joking? With the trend of islamic terrorists using women for their own ends, not only would he be justified shooting the man, but also shooting the woman.

Please give an example of ANY Muslim terrorist who announce they are carrying a bomb?

[Aragorn1]

i accept the point and agree that it wouldn't be a muslim terrorist in all probability, but with a guy running round shouting he has a bomb, you just can't take the chance. After all, he may just of been your ordinary run of the mill lunatic rather than a terrorist.

[Nightwing]

These guys are supposed to be trained to recognise behavior patterns. It is clear to me just by the description this guy was not acting like a person who was going to blow something up. They should have called out security from inside the building and surrounded him in a wide circle and try and let his wife calm him down.

[Larry_OHF]

Originally posted by Nightwing: These guys are supposed to be trained to recognise behavior patterns. It is clear to me just by the description this guy was not acting like a person who was going to blow something up. They should have called out security from inside the building and surrounded him in a wide circle and try and let his wife calm him down.

I thought she was the one that roused him up with that argument. At the moment, we don't know what they were arguing about, but it really set him off.

[Timber Loftis]

I'm going to go against 99.9% of Americans, who are (IMO, ignorantly) rubber-stamping this marshal's actions. DHS is pathetic. They waste billions of dollars worth of people's time to not accomplish anything at the security lines, their hiring practices are crap, and they're busy shooting passengers rather than catching terrorists. Even when they do catch a supposed terrorist, it turns out he was actually just an innocent man caught up in a big charade played to make us think they are doing something (related article yesterday).

If this bozo was as well trained as marshals supposedly are, he should not have shot, but had he done so should have been able to take the guy down with a non-lethal shot. He's pathetic, DHS is pathetic, and my countrymen are pathetic for following along on this ride like obedient little sheeple.

Hut, Hut, Hut-Hut-Hut, Hut Hut!!

[ 12-08-2005, 10:42 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[shamrock_uk]

Well, I can't speak for the cost-effectiveness of air marshalls, but the story reminded me why I would feel safer on an American plane.

At the end of the day he claims he has a bomb, is clearly agitated and and reaches into his bag. Between the eyes I say, one second later and that plane could have been doomed.

It seems pretty clear cut to me - Marshall's are trained to quickly incapacitate terrorists before they can destroy the plane, not to diagnose mental illnesses from the other side of the cabin based on two seconds of observation.

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: I'm going to go against 99.9% of Americans, who are (IMO, ignorantly) rubber-stamping this marshal's actions. DHS is pathetic. They waste billions of dollars worth of people's time to not accomplish anything at the security lines, their hiring practices are crap, and they're busy shooting passengers rather than catching terrorists. Even when they do catch a supposed terrorist, it turns out he was actually just an innocent man caught up in a big charade played to make us think they are doing something (related article yesterday). If this bozo was as well trained as marshals supposedly are, he should not have shot, but had he done so should have been able to take the guy down with a non-lethal shot. He's pathetic, DHS is pathetic, and my countrymen are pathetic for following along on this ride like obedient little sheeple. Hut, Hut, Hut-Hut-Hut, Hut Hut!!

Agreed. My question is why did he aim to kill? I'm sure they have basic target training with fireams, otherwise people are carelessly handing out lethal weapons. I'm pretty sure any Marshal could have easily disabled the target, instead of a kill shot.

[Azred]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: I'm going to go against 99.9% of Americans, who are (IMO, ignorantly) rubber-stamping this marshal's actions. DHS is pathetic. They waste billions of dollars worth of people's time to not accomplish anything at the security lines, their hiring practices are crap, and they're busy shooting passengers rather than catching terrorists. Even when they do catch a supposed terrorist, it turns out he was actually just an innocent man caught up in a big charade played to make us think they are doing something (related article yesterday). If this bozo was as well trained as marshals supposedly are, he should not have shot, but had he done so should have been able to take the guy down with a non-lethal shot. He's pathetic, DHS is pathetic, and my countrymen are pathetic for following along on this ride like obedient little sheeple. Hut, Hut, Hut-Hut-Hut, Hut Hut!!

You're right that DHS is, for the most part, a waste of time, money, and space. You cannot protect people from terrorists, only mop up afterwards.

However, just like I can't shout "FIRE" in the proverbial crowded theater, this guy shouldn't have been saying or shouting "BOMB" on an airplane. That is like playing in traffic or swimming with crocodiles--you deserve what you get. I like freedom, too, but there are lines that common sense dictates that one does not cross.

I do also agree about the marshall needing to choose a better target. A shot to the groin will make even the most battle-hardened combat pro stop and think for a minute. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img]

[Chewbacca]

[sarcasm]What a great way to take care of our society's mentally ill homeless problem.

I think fear ruled the day and ruled the actions of the shooter. The terrorists must all be laughing in their caves seeing as how they have twice in the last year had law enforcment do their dirty work of killing innocents for them, all in the name of fighting terrorists. When fear rules the day, the terrorist do too.

What means more? Dying to protect the innocents or killing to protect innocents. Maybe I'm hopelessly idealistic, but I personally think that real heroes would rather die and be wrong about a guilty suspect than kill an innocent in error.