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Old 04-15-2003, 08:15 PM   #21
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Old 04-15-2003, 09:47 PM   #22
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Attacking Iraq served 3 purposes:

1)Send a clear signal to the Middle East that the US means what it says.

2)It was doable as Saddam was hated by his own people and by all his neighbors.

3)To force political and attitude change and in the Middle East among ordinary Muslims living there. After listening to the vitriolic anti-US nonsense that their clerics and Arab media keep spewing forth so many years, ordinary Muslims actually think they can do no wrong and that all their problems are due to Americans and Israelis.

I still can't believe that most Muslims think that 9/11 was staged and that no Iraqis could have possible wore US uniforms and just to shoot other Iraqis.

Hopefully, once people settle down and are being fed/clothed daily and reconstruction begins, ordinary Muslims won't see the US as purely evil as they had once thought them to be.

Whether you are pro or against the US on the Iraq issue, this is a significant turning point for the better, I think, in Middle East affairs. Something that couldn't have happened with Saddam still around.

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Old 04-15-2003, 10:20 PM   #23
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Hmmm, I thought we attacked Iraq to help proliferate terrorist ideaology with American militarism, destabilize the middle east with political, social, and humanitarian unrest smack dab in the middle of it, breed mistrust with our allies and world neighbors by ignoring international protocal and general name-calling, and to force our ideals of democracy on another land in another region with another culture.

oh yeah, we were also trying to wreck our already weak economy by spending an exhorbinate amount of money overseas while the coffers at home grow empty. Don't want to forget that.

No, in reality these were reasons not to attack Iraq, I'm just being sarcastic.
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Old 04-15-2003, 10:38 PM   #24
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Is the "Israel controlling the USA" thing connected with the Illuminati? or is there some other secret order behind this chaos?
No, that would be the Elders of Zion, a "sister" of the Illuminati. Sometimes their goals are in alignment; sometimes not.

Unfortunately, the Elders are not in control of America; that would be the Bavarian Illuminati, one of the original conspiracies. The Freemasons, long a front of the Bavarians, established the United States as a base from which to bring about a worldwide hegemony based on economic and, secondarily, intellectual freedom. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]
[/QUOTE]Hold it there I thought it was the "Knights Templar" along with the Trilateral Commission/Center for Foriegn Realtions that was responsible for the world's conspiracies. Now your telling me its the Barvarian Illuminatei/Freemasons. "Dadgomit" I've got 25 years of infiltrationing the wrong groups. "Hale" I'll have to learn a new hand shake I bet.
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Old 04-15-2003, 10:41 PM   #25
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Hmmm, I thought we attacked Iraq to help proliferate terrorist ideaology with American militarism, destabilize the middle east with political, social, and humanitarian unrest smack dab in the middle of it, breed mistrust with our allies and world neighbors by ignoring international protocal and general name-calling, and to force our ideals of democracy on another land in another region with another culture.

oh yeah, we were also trying to wreck our already weak economy by spending an exhorbinate amount of money overseas while the coffers at home grow empty. Don't want to forget that.

No, in reality these were reasons not to attack Iraq, I'm just being sarcastic.
Those are just the Icing on the cake
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Old 04-15-2003, 11:13 PM   #26
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Originally posted by MagiK:
Is the "Israel controlling the USA" thing connected with the Illuminati? or is there some other secret order behind this chaos?
No, that would be the Elders of Zion, a "sister" of the Illuminati. Sometimes their goals are in alignment; sometimes not.

Unfortunately, the Elders are not in control of America; that would be the Bavarian Illuminati, one of the original conspiracies. The Freemasons, long a front of the Bavarians, established the United States as a base from which to bring about a worldwide hegemony based on economic and, secondarily, intellectual freedom. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]
[/QUOTE]Hold it there I thought it was the "Knights Templar" along with the Trilateral Commission/Center for Foriegn Realtions that was responsible for the world's conspiracies. Now your telling me its the Barvarian Illuminatei/Freemasons. "Dadgomit" I've got 25 years of infiltrationing the wrong groups. "Hale" I'll have to learn a new hand shake I bet.
[/QUOTE]So if you peel back the skin of Bush what is he? Jewish or a alien?

Confused?
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Old 04-15-2003, 11:46 PM   #27
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Is the "Israel controlling the USA" thing connected with the Illuminati? or is there some other secret order behind this chaos?
No, that would be the Elders of Zion, a "sister" of the Illuminati. Sometimes their goals are in alignment; sometimes not.

Unfortunately, the Elders are not in control of America; that would be the Bavarian Illuminati, one of the original conspiracies. The Freemasons, long a front of the Bavarians, established the United States as a base from which to bring about a worldwide hegemony based on economic and, secondarily, intellectual freedom. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]
[/QUOTE]Hold it there I thought it was the "Knights Templar" along with the Trilateral Commission/Center for Foriegn Realtions that was responsible for the world's conspiracies. Now your telling me its the Barvarian Illuminatei/Freemasons. "Dadgomit" I've got 25 years of infiltrationing the wrong groups. "Hale" I'll have to learn a new hand shake I bet.
[/QUOTE]So if you peel back the skin of Bush what is he? Jewish or a alien?

Confused?
[/QUOTE]DadGomit Mordenheim, you just had to throw in that alien bit. Do they have hands or claws? I need to get it right if I'm going to get the hand shake..er claw shake down.
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Old 04-15-2003, 11:47 PM   #28
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Old 04-16-2003, 04:22 AM   #29
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What I really want to know if Hillary Clinton's claim is true and that she is Jewish.

I couldn't figure that one out in her election bid
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Old 04-16-2003, 08:28 AM   #30
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Hmmm this is truely diabolical...wheels, within wheels, within wheels...........how deep does it go...would nto be surprised to find out that I am the only one not linked to any of the conspiratorial groups....
Seems like a lot of effort being expended just to keep me in the dark
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