Heard a great song today!

[Nachtrafe]

Originally posted by Link: Hear hear for frudi_x on the first part, no need to state that twice. My logic concerning Israel and Iraq is absolutely NOT flawed beyond belief. What I said was that America's reason for invading Iraq is supposed to be that "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction". Israel has weapons of mass destruction and is willing (believe me) to use them against the Palestinian people. Okay; I made a mistake by saying that they are using WoMD against Palestinians, I admit it. I should have said that just having weapons of mass destruction is reason enough for America to attack another country. This is just the same as Bush's "everyone who is not with us, is against us". Mind you, I'm not saying that Saddam Hussein should not be tackled. I'm just saying that if you do, don't be stupid and name the correct reason. Israel is no more a saint than you and I, John D Harris. Keep that in mind. And Johnny; I understand what you're saying but you can't tell me that Israel only kills guilty people. I've heard countless times how Palestinian civilians have been killed in actions committed by the Israelian army. I don't like it AT ALL what happens down there, and I'm on no one's side, but I do wish for each and everyone to be treated equally.

*SIGH* First off Link, you're skewing things in a *VERY* radical way. The US' reason for invading Iraw is *NOT* just 'He's got WoMD'. It's 'He's got WoMD, he has used them in the past and we believe he will again, since he has no qualms about using them on his own people, he's a thread to world peace and stability, he supplies, funds, and supports terrorists, and he's not complying with the rules established by the International community, when he LOST A WAR'. You have to take the WHOLE package, not pare it up into little sound bytes and spin it to fit your point.

Re: your point to Johnny. Erm...as the esteemed Mr Harris has already(very correctly) pointed out, sometimes, in military actions, CIVILIANS DIE!! It's a tragedy, but it's also the reality of war. However, the point that you seem to be conviently skipping over(since it obviously doesn't help, and in fact, totally derails, your arguement) is that the Palestinians started the whole damn thing BY BOMBING CIVILIANS!!!!! The suicide bombers dont attack military targets, they attack shopping malls, and bistros, and schools! They dont use soldiers and fight wars, they hide in the shadows like cowards and attack innocent people. BIG DIFFERENCE bud!

[Cloudbringer]

Nacht, if you want to have the Song discussion, repost it in GD and make a post that says it's just about the MUSIC and inspirational songs, then post your last request from here, that others join the discussion about MUSIC. Post a link to this thread or the WF in that thread so anyone with a 'war discussion' on his/her mind will know where to go.

I'll ask mods to keep an eye on it over there and be sure it stays on topic.

It's rude to completely hijack a person's thread which is what happened here, but if people want to talk war, they can come over to this neighborhood.

[Nachtrafe]

Originally posted by Cloudbringer: Nacht, if you want to have the Song discussion, repost it in GD and make a post that says it's just about the MUSIC and inspirational songs, then post your last request from here, that others join the discussion about MUSIC. Post a link to this thread or the WF in that thread so anyone with a 'war discussion' on his/her mind will know where to go. I'll ask mods to keep an eye on it over there and be sure it stays on topic. It's rude to completely hijack a person's thread which is what happened here, but if people want to talk war, they can come over to this neighborhood.

Yes ma'am. [img]smile.gif[/img]

See why I love this lady guys? She's so reasonable, and she even manages to keep *ME* in line. [img]graemlins/lovestory.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/kissy2.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Vedran: We haven't forgotten bombarding the marriage ceremony neither...

errr which wedding would you be talking about? Your post is a bit cryptic.

[Nachtrafe]

OK, I reposted the original thread back in GD.

Heard a great song today - Redux

If you want to post ON TOPIC in that thread, feel free!!!

Nacht

[ 03-06-2003, 10:42 AM: Message edited by: Nachtrafe ]

[Nachtrafe]

Originally posted by MagiK: Quote: Originally posted by Vedran: We haven't forgotten bombarding the marriage ceremony neither...

errr which wedding would you be talking about? Your post is a bit cryptic. [/QUOTE]LOLOLOL!! That was my point too! It was a 'straight outta left field' grenade. I have *NO IDEA* what he's talking about. A few facts would greatly facilitate the debate. [img]smile.gif[/img]

BTW, Hi Magik!!!!! [img]graemlins/happywave.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Link: And that is why you don't jump into war lightly? Tell me why America is so anxious to invade Iraq? Or isn't that a war? I can tell you for one thing that it they aren't simply invading Iraq 'because there are weapons of mass-destruction there'. This is just America trying to show the world that they are indeed the strongest. I seem to remember more than a decadeof UN resolutions trying to prevent that action...they didn't work...so where do you see "anxious" coming into the works? It has been 13 months since Bush has put his foot down, and yet no invasion has taken place....13 months..more than a year....is that anxious? The argument for Iraq having weapons of mass-destruction isn't so flawless as you all think it is. Why is Israel not invaded? They have weapons of mass-destruction? Those weapons were even supplied by America! And what do they use them for? Killing innocent Palestines! Kinda one-sided don't you think? Mix apples and oranges and sheep and pigs all you want, but you are completely off base on this issue. To date it is widely accepted that isreal has WoMD to date, there hasnt been any evidence of Israel selling arms to terrorists, To date, Israel has not had to use WoMD, before they had WoMD they were invaded and attacked repeatedly by the Arab League....do a bit of history search guy and learn the facts. Israel is just a bunch of people trying to keep from being exterminated by arabs, like Germany tried to do 50 years ago or so. Right now I believe that Europe as a whole really needs to look at the problem of anti-semitism that is resurging there...not a very proud thing to have in your own back yard.

[Ronn_Bman]

I heard it last week, and I figured someone would finally post it here. I also figured it would go over like a turd in a punchbowl. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

[Nachtrafe]

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: I heard it last week, and I figured someone would finally post it here. I also figured it would go over like a turd in a punchbowl. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

ROTFLM(agik's)AO!!

Gee Ronn...thanks for that...erm...intersting image. [img]tongue.gif[/img] (damn, I cant for the life of me remember what movie that was from...a little help?)

LOLOL...Well, I guess I cant seem to help stirring the pot, even when I dont do it intentionally. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Vedran: Nobody says that Iraq is innocent. We say that USA isn't the saint neither. I've seen the leafless jungles of Vietnam. I we seen the babies of Hiroshima...

Ahem *lecture mode on* Leafless jungles of vietnam? Really? Last time I was in a P3 over flying those leafless jungles they were rather leafy. Babies of Hiroshima? what about Nagasaki and what exactly was different about them than oh, say the fire scorched babies of Hamburg, Bremen and Tokyo? Or the bombings at Pearl Harbor and in Poland? I posted some time ago the results of the long term studies done on the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...guess what....8 people in 10,000 showed an incread chance of leukemia....turns out that those two bombs were really no more or less deadly than the firebombings that took a week to conduct. Learn about what you are talking about before you go off ok?

[ 03-06-2003, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]