WHATS FIRST

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by The Hierophant: Uh...what? Sorry man, I don't quite follow. My thoughts exactly [img]smile.gif[/img] Not Sure what you are getting at Felix. Especially your last line. Peace to put as peace out?

Hmm Just testing these waters. I take it all of you are civilians, sitting around a warm room. Josting about who will serve the first blow.

How many of you have spent the last 6 months deployed? That means gone completly away from the world as you know it? Doing a operation, for the upcoming operation, while deployed for the same 6 months? For those of you who don't get it. We are tired. We are doing way more with way less. Remember those clinton days, ah we don't need all these folks, we can manage. Well we can't. That's why if you follow the news there are currently more folks being called, than what was needed for the entire GW live fire.

Our nation is at war, we are no longer at peace.

Felix

[Cloudbringer]

Felix, don't assume anything general about the members of IW. You'd be very surprised, I think. Many of them have served their countries in the armed services, many have supported them. But either way, everyone's opinion is valued.

The mix of backgrounds and experiences is what makes this place such a good one for those discussions. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: Hmm Just testing these waters. I take it all of you are civilians, sitting around a warm room. Josting about who will serve the first blow. How many of you have spent the last 6 months deployed? That means gone completly away from the world as you know it? Doing a operation, for the upcoming operation, while deployed for the same 6 months? For those of you who don't get it. We are tired. We are doing way more with way less. Remember those clinton days, ah we don't need all these folks, we can manage. Well we can't. That's why if you follow the news there are currently more folks being called, than what was needed for the entire GW live fire. Our nation is at war, we are no longer at peace. Felix

That's a little more clear [img]smile.gif[/img] Your first post seemed a little... eratic. No offence intended.
Well, I'm happy to say that I'm a 'civilian' in that I'm not a member of any standing army. Fighting is fine, and I guess getting organized and establishing a standing army makes sense if you want to fight well. But in the current climate there is alot of talk of 'rightness' and 'freedom' but all that really seems to be happening is invasion after invasion after bombing campaign. If George W. Bush administration made an attempt to understand the worlds that they are planning on ripping down, if they maybe learned some arabic and addressed the Iraqi people in their own tongue (hey the leaders of the Taliban could speak fluent English, the Bush admin could at least give Arabic a shot) then there might be a greater chance at winning their favour. As it stands President Bush seems to show nothing but distaste for the arabic way of life. He tries to force his own way of life on a foreign people who just don't seem to want it. He shows great interest in deposing Saddam Hussein, but little in understanding the lives of the common people whose lives he is threatening with his actions. He'll depsose Saddam (nothing will stop that now), make a few bureacratic arrangements in the region, then move on. If you are going to invade someone's land, if you claim it is for their own good, then make sure you stay afterwards for the long haul. Make an effort to understand their ways and show them that you generally care. That you arn't just an adventurer out to shoot your guns and win your wars.
This isn't a moral judgment, just an observation.

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by The Hierophant: Uh...what? Sorry man, I don't quite follow. My thoughts exactly [img]smile.gif[/img] Not Sure what you are getting at Felix. Especially your last line. Peace to put as peace out?

Hmm Just testing these waters. I take it all of you are civilians, sitting around a warm room. Josting about who will serve the first blow.

How many of you have spent the last 6 months deployed? That means gone completly away from the world as you know it? Doing a operation, for the upcoming operation, while deployed for the same 6 months? For those of you who don't get it. We are tired. We are doing way more with way less. Remember those clinton days, ah we don't need all these folks, we can manage. Well we can't. That's why if you follow the news there are currently more folks being called, than what was needed for the entire GW live fire.

Our nation is at war, we are no longer at peace.

Felix[/QUOTE]Hola Felix [img]smile.gif[/img] I spent 10 years active duty in the USN. I also saw a wee bit of fire when the Puerto Rican Macha Terro's decided to go on rampages from 1979 thru 1984 or so. (the ones Clinton wanted to give Pardons too) I jumped ship just as Clinton came to office. I support all of you out in the field, I also served a few years as a consultant and contractor for the Marine Corps. I just didn't understand what you were trying to get at in your first post. Anyway, appy New Year to you as well!

Umm T.H...as for the Taliban speaking fluent English...I never heard any of them speaking English...I heard translators speaking... It is in the talibans own best interest to have some people who speak english for business and financial reasons. As for learning arabic...it is a good idea for someone in an administration to do, but to ask that national leaders take the time to learn other languages as part of their duties...I think you might be vastly over estimating just how much free time these people really have.

On topic...I think tightening immigration rules and processes and reducing the numbers of young arabic males from getting into western countries untill that particular group becomes somewhat less dangerous should be the first step.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin:

Hmm Just testing these waters. I take it all of you are civilians, sitting around a warm room. Josting about who will serve the first blow.

How many of you have spent the last 6 months deployed? That means gone completly away from the world as you know it? Doing a operation, for the upcoming operation, while deployed for the same 6 months? For those of you who don't get it. We are tired. We are doing way more with way less. Remember those clinton days, ah we don't need all these folks, we can manage. Well we can't. That's why if you follow the news there are currently more folks being called, than what was needed for the entire GW live fire.

Our nation is at war, we are no longer at peace.

Felix[/QUOTE]

Felix,
I could kiss you, 'cept I'm married and you're probibly not my type
A lot of us are civilains that have ties to the military, I'm a USAF brat, grew up during the Cold war. We didn't even have duck and cover drills at school, because the schools were all located on military bases and we knew we were target #1. Duck and cover wouldn't have done any good.
I learned a long time ago that there are things the military knows and does that the civilain pop doesn't need to know or really want to know. If you want to get anything done or find out what is going on ask a Sgt.
Lastly Thanks for your service to our country. Sorry about the Clinton years I didn't vote for him but what's done is done. The men and women of the US armed Forces always have My support.

[Brennihelvete]

Originally posted by The Hierophant: quote: Originally posted by TheCrimsomBlade: I'm afraid your talking about the Human race and I don't think wars will ever be over. but some day we will have used up all of the weapons on this planet and somebody will pick up a wooden club and start it all over again, just look at any history book about the past three thousand years they all say the same thing "my God is better than yours and my army will wipe you out to prove it, unless you give up now and hand over all your weapons" sound familar? If you look through history books back in babalonia times you can find almost the same statement more than 3000 years ago and then look into the future and some day somebody else will say the same thing. OH wait President Bush said it this year 3000 years later. well the circle is complete the End is near one way or another and thats really sick. Who is really the mad man and why is he so mad and what is he so mad about? I know the reasons that the media give as to why and what but what is the real reason? These people were on our side and now they are sending airplaines crashing into our city killing friends and family for what,and in the name of what god? Has The world has gone totaly mad or just our part of it? let us all hope that when it's all over this time and the dust has settled, that we are still alive and not the victom of some cowards terriorest attack!

You can view history in any way that you choose. Yet just because some people in history have decided to fight each other it does not mean that you have to take the same path. All there is is your own personal perception of world, influenced by forces outside your control (which includes the world-perceptions of other people too). You make your own choices. I'm not going to kill my own kind. I've made that choice already. I don't care what rhetoric is used by others in order to try and make me change my mind. We're all living on unconfirmed time. Don't give in to the mob-mentality of war, or else you will be perpetuating the war cycle that you insinuate is the curse of mankind.
Never think of human beings as formations of 'sides'. To do so is to accept the folly of violent conflict and the segregation of man. It is falsehood, and can lead you to nowhere but ruin.[/QUOTE]That's so true. If mankind would understand this we would live in peace...but instead hate is blooming and weapons of mass destruction is produced with one purpose which is death. Wicked leaders full of hate with no respect of their own kind will kill for their own interests and I dont think we should wait too long to see a war where biologial and even nuclear wepons are being used.
Take Iraq for instance, if America invades Iraq, Saddam will most likely try to come up with some sort of retaliation. He will unlikely try to strike America but he could, and I belive he is capable of launching an destructive attack on Europe. Europe is the allies of America and it would be far more easier to send missiles to an aera on the same continent than it would be to send missiles over the atlantic. This would lead to more destructive being used by America and its allies to retaliate back. And see how Al quaida, and even North Korea is mustering mass weapons of destruction...
This is only going one way and thats the way to destruction of mankind.

[Felix The Assassin]

Ok Folks, I see the infusion for the confusion. My first post on this thread did not carry the quote I had so carefully cut and pasted. Hey Moderator, can we get a repeat on that.

Ok, so I'm over 20, and cannot retire due to grade, position and skills. I don't want, too much more than, to put roots into the side of a slope over lokking the Sanke in Idao. Allow my children to roam free, and have a set of friends that won't change next rotation. It was fun. I did the whole enchilada(sp), but I'm ready to stop, and live a normal life. Is that too much to ask for a guy who just turned 40? Has sent more cards to his family for their special days than received them? I think not. So if you want a war, then darn it, get off your duff and do it. Get it done and over with. Put an end to stop loss! Break out the draft, and allow those of us who have seen 1 or more hostile events, either stand down and train and prepare you. OR, Do this to the tune of AC/DC "See Me Ride Out On The Sunset, On Your Color TV Screen"!

Stress? Always. Sweat, every day! Scared! You had better be! Fear, never, for it will consume you. For those that must ask! (Scared, why did i just burn the roast for dinner)!

Felix

[Luvian]

Felix, you can edit your own posts.