John Pilger's religion.

[Fljotsdale]

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Originally posted by Yorick:


Er... no. Didn't I just do that? You did read my post didn't you? I did make my taste secondary in my brief appraisal of Michael Jackson.

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What kind of music teacher would I be if I told my students what was good and bad based on my own taste? Some of us do have to look past such inconveniences.

Who was it that said "taste is the enemy of art"?

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Being a teacher, you have a different viewpoint than most other people, I guess! [img]smile.gif[/img] I had to do the same thing with literature at university, but it did not change my opinion about much writing that was highly thought of, and some that many others disliked. Though I DID change my views about SOME.
Yes, I DID read your post, and noted you had no Jackson in your collection. [img]smile.gif[/img]

And 'taste' might be 'the enemy of art' but some so-called 'art' is just a big con-trick, imo! Some damn-fool exhibition of 'art' in London has a bare room with white walls and a light switching itself on/off at intervals of a few seconds. MY taste is definitely the enemy of this sort of 'art'! The guy who came up with this one is laughing his socks off, imo. What is artistic about switching a light on/off in a bare room with blank walls? If this is art, I'm a Philistine! There might be some value in it if there were objects in there, and lights came on from different angles to create varied shadow-effects, but as it is.....

Hey! If we are going to discuss this maybe it should go in GD since we are taking this thread off-topic? I think a lot of people might enjoy a music debate, Yorick... what do you think?

Totally off-topic again.... I have been 'off sick' in the forum the past few days so may have missed posts about the funeral... How did it go? And how are you and the family?

[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: Fljotsdale ]

[Yorick]

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Originally posted by Fljotsdale:

And 'taste' might be 'the enemy of art' but some so-called 'art' is just a big con-trick, imo! Some damn-fool exhibition of 'art' in London has a bare room with white walls and a light switching itself on/off at intervals of a few seconds. MY taste is definitely the enemy of this sort of 'art'! The guy who came up with this one is laughing his socks off, imo. What is artistic about switching a light on/off in a bare room with blank walls? If this is art, I'm a Philistine! There might be some value in it if there were objects in there, and lights came on from different angles to create varied shadow-effects, but as it is.....

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'Modernist' art Fljotsdale. There is an ideology behind such work. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Silver Cheetah]

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Originally posted by Fljotsdale:


Imo, Michael Jackson NEVER made great music!

John Pilger is STILL greatly respected, and very knowledgeable! You cannot take an article from the Mirror (of all papers!) as an example of his usual style (though I can't imagine why he writes for them, apart from the money). The Mirror does NOT like facts and figures. Pilger produces them with ease, when called for, in other areas of the media.

You wouldn't like to be judged on one piece of music you wrote, would you, if it had been designed for a particular audience, but was not what you would prefer to have produced? And journalists have rather less freedom of expression than musicians! [img]smile.gif[/img]

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The Mirror was a great left wing paper once upon a time, before the Sun came along and they changed their style to compete..... It's not any more... shame....

Don't know why I feel I had to say that..... [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Fljotsdale]

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Originally posted by Yorick:


'Modernist' art Fljotsdale. There is an ideology behind such work. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Modernist - Shmodernist, Yorick! The only ideology behind it seems to be 'let's make mugs of the public'! Anyway, I don't buy into it!

[Yorick]

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Originally posted by Fljotsdale:


Modernist - Shmodernist, Yorick! The only ideology behind it seems to be 'let's make mugs of the public'! Anyway, I don't buy into it!

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Well, the work provoked an intellectual and emotional response from you Fljotsdale. Like all good art.

[Fljotsdale]

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Originally posted by Yorick:

Well, the work provoked an intellectual and emotional response from you Fljotsdale. Like all good art.

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Good art?! Bleark! [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Yorick]

Yep, not all good art elicits feelings of wonder and positivity.

Based purely on your reaction, I'd say the work is that of genius.

You remembered the work, expressed disdain with gusto! Wonderful! An artists dream. Far better a strong response than nonchalance.

Mediocrity is the fear, not negative response.

[Fljotsdale]

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Originally posted by Yorick:
Yep, not all good art elicits feelings of wonder and positivity.

Based purely on your reaction, I'd say the work is that of genius.

You remembered the work, expressed disdain with gusto! Wonderful! An artists dream. Far better a strong response than nonchalance.

Mediocrity is the fear, not negative response.

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Yorick.... shutup!shutup!shutup! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

If I want that sort of 'art', I can just remove everything from one of my rooms and stand there flicking the light on/off!!!! Nobody, but NOBODY! would call it art!

Hey.... I think I might 'write' a book... all blank pages but for the odd page with 'BOO!' written in the top left corner of the right-hand page, where you can easily miss it if you just flick through, so you'll have to look carefully... if it is well-bound it'll make a mint for me....

And just think of the high esteem in which the art world would hold me!

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[Yorick]

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Originally posted by Fljotsdale:


Yorick.... shutup!shutup!shutup! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

If I want that sort of 'art', I can just remove everything from one of my rooms and stand there flicking the light on/off!!!! Nobody, but NOBODY! would call it art!

Hey.... I think I might 'write' a book... all blank pages but for the odd page with 'BOO!' written in the top left corner of the right-hand page, where you can easily miss it if you just flick through, so you'll have to look carefully... if it is well-bound it'll make a mint for me....

And just think of the high esteem in which the art world would hold me!

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Fljotsdale, it is so easy to wind you up. Especially when you're wrong....

Which of course on this matter you are.

If you stood in your room, with the walls blank and switched a light off and on, called it art, and got people to watch you switching a light off and on, it would be performance art.

A woman switching a light off and on.

The fact that it goes off and on automatically and the walls are actually blank, means that the light itself is the art.

Photography and painting are all about capturing the effect of light. Shadows, shades, fragments of the spectrum, reflections.

Here is just the light, no more no less. Appealingly simple. So different would the walls look with the light on than off.

The art takes place in the moments of transition.

It also captures something of life. How many of us have switched a light on and off, only to have a parent chide that it'll blow the fuse. The effect though is tantalising.

Vocalist James Rayne had a music video "Fall of Rome" which had alrernating light shots fast cut together.

Like opening each eye alternately and quickly. Left-right-left-right etc...

I think the work, from your describtion is brilliant. Especially from your reaction.

Your blank book idea is actually quite funny. Monty Python released a record - a collectors item now I believe - that had no sound until the end, when a voice said "you have been ripped off". Laughter followed and that was that. .

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[Fljotsdale]

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Originally posted by Yorick:


Fljotsdale, it is so easy to wind you up. Especially when you're wrong....

Which of course on this matter you are.

If you stood in your room, with the walls blank and switched a light off and on, called it art, and got people to watch you switching a light off and on, it would be performance art.

A woman switching a light off and on.

The fact that it goes off and on automatically and the walls are actually blank, means that the light itself is the art.

Photography and painting are all about capturing the effect of light. Shadows, shades, fragments of the spectrum, reflections.

Here is just the light, no more no less. Appealingly simple. So different would the walls look with the light on than off.

The art takes place in the moments of transition.

It also captures something of life. How many of us have switched a light on and off, only to have a parent chide that it'll blow the fuse. The effect though is tantalising.

Vocalist James Rayne had a music video "Fall of Rome" which had alrernating light shots fast cut together.

Like opening each eye alternately and quickly. Left-right-left-right etc...

I think the work, from your describtion is brilliant. Especially from your reaction.

Your blank book idea is actually quite funny. Monty Python released a record - a collectors item now I believe - that had no sound until the end, when a voice said "you have been ripped off". Laughter followed and that was that. .

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Ahhhhh, Yorick, Yorick! I'm afraid I have too much plain common-sense! The Monty Python thing is a clear statement of my position on this, lol!

We are not going to agree on this one - but, hey! - nothing new about that!