A curious question

[Yorick]

originally quoted by Mark: "Everyone has a right to post their thoughts here and not be attacked for them."

This is all I'm asking for too Mark.


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[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by tracey: yes. it's been done to death - however, i did hear a little something - john pilger, a renowned and very experienced war correspondant in england has reason to believe that terrorism and the fight against it is not what this 'war' is all about. i must admit, i agree wholeheartedly. i thought there was something mightily fishy about it from start to finish. to say i'm disgusted and revolted by recent revelations is saying something. it's all to do with gas and oil and a pipeline that needs to run through afghanistan so that the american government can control it - hence the reason why they're trying so damned hard to gain control of said couuntry and put in place a puppet government so that profits and resources can be directed ooo, guess where? i shall dig out a link to the article in question later on and post it.

Somehow I don't think it's been done to death.

Thousands of innocents, from around the world, killed by terrorists on September 11. The American response is "fishy"? It's all an American plot, to control the oil pipeline in Afghanistan? That just doesn't make alot of sense, no matter how well regarded the journalist is.

As to the benefits coming to America through a puppet government, it's the international community that is trying to decide on an appropriate government for Afghanistan. If it is a conspiracy, it's much bigger than just America because the European Union has also been holding meetings to decide about the "new" Afghan government.

A government whose agents attack another nation has committed an act of war. Afghanistan is at war with the US, not because the US was the biggest supplier of humanitarian aid prior to September 11, but instead, because they chose to ally themselves with those who would, literally, "bite the hand that feeds them."



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"Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins."

[Yorick]

Well said Ronn. Thankyou mate.

The voice of reason and common sense.

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[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by skywalker: All I was saying is that everyone here has a right to their opinion. I respect yours as I respect tracey's and Horatio's! What that means is that I think it is unfair to say that they post what they do because they are safe. You don't have to like it, but don't say that to these two individuals, human life, the US economy and chaos bores them (tracey never said that), I think you presume too much. I do care about how you feel about this issue (you were near ground zero), but I'm only pointing to the fact that your posts regarding Horatio and tracey are very provocative. I have not insinuated that your thoughts are not just or necessary. I am not criticizing the way you feel, but I was criticizing your reaction to their posts. Everyone has a right to post their thoughts here and not be attacked for them.

I understand your wanting to keep things "calm". You enjoy this forum as much as I do, and don't want to lose it. But the point isn't listening to others opinions and not commenting. This room is for debate on serious issues which will elicit strong responses from both sides. What we have to avoid is personal attacks.

Mark, I appreciate you trying to be a calming influence, and you have been doing a great job.


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[Ryanamur]

Originally posted by Horatio: Just a question: Are people in your area forgettion the events of 9-11? well, not forgetting but at least getting bored with hearing about it? I just want to know.

Sorry, just dropping in so I won't follow the whole tread.

Yes, unfortunately, people have forgotten (so to speak) about the 9-11 attacks. It's still there but not forefront anymore. People are sick to hear about it and they don't care so long as it doesn't happen to them. Nonetheless, the interest lasted over three weeks (for most Canadian stations) now and then they did stop broadcast to bring new development but the focus has now changed from immediaty to regular programing (mostly because people don't want to hear about it).

BTW: just something to think about. Here in Canada, the support for military action was about 93% following the 9-11 attacks. Now, the support for military action against Afghanistan is lower than 40%. A hell of a drop!

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[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Ryanamur: BTW: just something to think about. Here in Canada, the support for military action was about 93% following the 9-11 attacks. Now, the support for military action against Afghanistan is lower than 40%. A hell of a drop!

Yes it is a big drop, but I don't think it's unexpected in Canada or any other allied country.

1.) The attack didn't actually happen in Canada.
2.) The idea of retaliating, and the reality of it are quite different.

No one I have talked to is tired of hearing "real" news about September 11 or the following actions. I think the complaint is when then news programs try to make news out of nothing. Trying to fill airtime with guess work and conjucture isn't really news at all.

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[This message has been edited by Ronn_Bman (edited 11-02-2001).]

[tracey]

done to death in the sense that this forum has bashed it's viewpoints up, down and around and we're not likely to start agreeing now.

human death when not necessary, grieves me absolutely. however, the current state of affairs is not going to extinguish terrorism. it's part revenge attack and part a fight to secure natural resources. either way, revenge is evil, and killing for 'gold' doubly so.

if anyone disagrees with this view, fine. disagree away. i'm not answering any inflammatory posts. mainly i think, because i'ts a pointless and degrading exercise. i'm happy to discuss, debate. but we are all in danger of taking things personally again. i have a right to disagree with death inflicted on innocents in the name of revenge and 'gold'.

i will post the article www page when i can find it, so that anyone can read it. i assume it was published in england only - although i could be wrong and it may have slipped through to other countries press departments.

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offended mistress of the illuminati

Folks here haven't so much 'forgotten' 911 as they have simply gone on with life. We watch the news (the airbase the Stealths fly out of is approx 30 mi up the road from here) and are concerned, yes. But for the most part, life does go on, bills must be paid and children must be fed. Sometimes that alone takes up most of a person's resources......

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[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by tracey: done to death in the sense that this forum has bashed it's viewpoints up, down and around and we're not likely to start agreeing now.

This is probably true

BTW, I like the boot, there's something dangerous yet sexy about it



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[tracey]

why thank you, kind sir.

i like to think my boots and penchent for whips doesn't spill over into the forum, but hey..........

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