On Cowardice

[250]

Originally posted by Diogenes Of Pumpkintown: Okay. Well, you are quite mistaken. "Illuminati" is just a generic term referring to any number of religious organizations who claim some sort of special enlightenment, as any dictionary will show you. I have never heard of a satanist group calling themselves "illuminati", but certainly it is possible, as it is possible that virtually any type of religious group could use that term. This is kind of off the subject, but why do you think Crowley was a Satanist anyway? Certainly LaVey was, but I don't think Crowley was, iirc.

STOP playing word games, debate on the level of ideas, don't go into minorities like that. and most important of all, don't defend yourself by responding to this post, focus on arguing against Yorick's opnion. goddamnit

Originally posted by Diogenes Of Pumpkintown: The term "coward" is being thrown around a lot in regards to the "enemy" in Afghanistan. I am curious as to why so many of you seem fond of using that term. It doesn't strike me as any more accurate in regards to the terrorists than it does if applied to our own forces, with our leaders in hiding in times of danger and our long historical tendency to prefer relatively safe air strikes to cut down on American casualties. How would you define "cowardice" and what do you gain by continually using that term in regards to the terrorists? The way some of you seem to be using it, the terrorists are "cowards" if take cover from our bombs and missles instead of standing out in the open to be easily blown up by us. [This message has been edited by Diogenes Of Pumpkintown (edited 10-08-2001).]

No, Bin-bin is a coward because he won't admit he planned the attacks. He's afraid to.. Atleast the IRA has the balls to say I DID IT. Most fanatics work in shadows anyway. And don't bother with the argument "Well the USA hides the vice pres". They ONLY do that to maintain a government structure incase of an attack.

It's funny.. you really seem to admire these people?! Please say you DON'T.


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Originally posted by Ziroc: It's funny.. you really seem to admire these people?! Please say you DON'T.

I don't think he does... why do people tend to resolve an opinion of someone's character by his posts? (I am just speaking generally here, as it happened so many times before)

please focus on the idea alone

[Bahamut]

Originally posted by Istaron: Everyone who dare not face 10 tanks or more armed with just a half-rotten log is a coward.

Well, those logs are mighty powerful stuff... they look rotten, but not so when blasted in your face...

Well, maybe that is a good thing people call them cowards, it complimentsthe terrorists. All they are doing is retreating and planning for something, and when they are done, peeps are like so into their cowardice that once they make a move, all will be shocked... another fun factor for their terrorism status.



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Originally posted by Yorick: Dio, I have been under the impression that the Illuminati are a Satanic organisation. In light of hearing personal stories such as my friends above I have a disgust of such organisations, and their gurus LaVey and Crowley. This may explain some of the hostility I have shown when you quoted LaVey, and may highlight the difficulty I have in dealing with your clan name - however much in jest it may or may not be. If it is not I stand corrected, and shall go research it myself. If it is, you know where I stand, and may gain insight into certain things.

Hmmm I see a little misconception about satanists. Cult behavior is not satanism, and its beliefs go way beyond the contempary authors that have been mentioned as "spokespeople". One of the creeds of real satanists is personal responsibility for individual actions. It has a sense of ethic, dignity, and has nothing to do with the christian concept of satan, or christianity at all, except that satanists are misconcieved by some, maybe most christians. Satanism is like Witchcraft in some regards. Small groups, simple creeds, ancient archtypes, and persecuted. Heck it has alot in common with any given religious path.

[250]

Originally posted by G'kar: Originally posted by Yorick: Dio, I have been under the impression that the Illuminati are a Satanic organisation. In light of hearing personal stories such as my friends above I have a disgust of such organisations, and their gurus LaVey and Crowley. This may explain some of the hostility I have shown when you quoted LaVey, and may highlight the difficulty I have in dealing with your clan name - however much in jest it may or may not be. If it is not I stand corrected, and shall go research it myself. If it is, you know where I stand, and may gain insight into certain things. Hmmm I see a little misconception about satanists. Cult behavior is not satanism, and its beliefs go way beyond the contempary authors that have been mentioned as "spokespeople". One of the creeds of real satanists is personal responsibility for individual actions. It has a sense of ethic, dignity, and has nothing to do with the christian concept of satan, or christianity at all, except that satanists are misconcieved by some, maybe most christians. Satanism is like Witchcraft in some regards. Small groups, simple creeds, ancient archtypes, and persecuted. Heck it has alot in common with any given religious path.

interesting, thanks for the input
no matter how thin a piece of paper is, it always got two sides

once again, interesting input

[Diogenes Of Pumpkintown]

Originally posted by 250: STOP playing word games, debate on the level of ideas, don't go into minorities like that. and most important of all, don't defend yourself by responding to this post, focus on arguing against Yorick's opnion. goddamnit

Huh? I might attempt answering you 250, if I knew what in the world you were talking about. Yorick had asked about the meaning of the word "illuminati" and I answered him. Is there a problem with that?

[250]

Originally posted by Diogenes Of Pumpkintown: Huh? I might attempt answering you 250, if I knew what in the world you were talking about. Yorick had asked about the meaning of the word "illuminati" and I answered him. Is there a problem with that?

oops... I am on drug... sorrie

Found something on a usenet forum:

"I think the more cowardly are those who masterminded the attack: they used the suicide terrorists as their instruments and have disappeared into the shadows without even having the courage to stand up and claim responsibility for their acts. I think this is what is meant when the terrorists were described as being cowardly. The people who were actually on the planes were more deluded than they were cowards."

And

"Perhaps the idea is that it is cowardly to make a sneak attack, especially
on a defenseless civilian target, rather than confront an armed enemy face
to face."


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Originally posted by Ziroc: Found something on a usenet forum: "I think the more cowardly are those who masterminded the attack: they used the suicide terrorists as their instruments and have disappeared into the shadows without even having the courage to stand up and claim responsibility for their acts. I think this is what is meant when the terrorists were described as being cowardly. The people who were actually on the planes were more deluded than they were cowards." And "Perhaps the idea is that it is cowardly to make a sneak attack, especially on a defenseless civilian target, rather than confront an armed enemy face to face."

there is nothing coward about the tactics. this is how small thing eats away big thing. sneak

but what serious wrong about it is: they kill defenseless civillians. that is the most f--- up coward thing one can do.