Pope Ratzinger.

[johnny]

Hm..i've heard the Pope has made a statement about rock&roll, and how he regards it as a tool of anti religeon. And here i was thinking that it was just another conservative old geezer. I was wrong, it's a conservative moron. Bono and U2 have done much MUCH more for Africa in their relative short existance than the Vatican has ever done in their entire history.

Papa Ratzi.

[Gab]

I'm with johnny 100% when it comes to Ratzinger. Is it just me or does this guy have a really creepy smile ? It looks sinster. The gap between this out-dated and extemely rigid Catholic Chuch and the rest of the world is only going to widen under his papacy. Despite his age, Ratzinger is currently in good health and could reign for 10-15 years.

[Gab]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: I'm not a catholic but I like him already!

If you're homophobic and ignorant to the fact that millions of people are dying in Africa beacause of aids, maybe you should be.

[Melchior]

Originally posted by Gab: quote: Originally posted by Sir Degrader: I'm not a catholic but I like him already!

If you're homophobic and ignorant to the fact that millions of people are dying in Africa beacause of aids, maybe you should be. [/QUOTE]Aids has nothing to do with Papal edicts. What good Catholic would follow the Pope's edict for no contraception, and ignore the one about premarital sex?

[Melchior]

Originally posted by johnny: Hm..i've heard the Pope has made a statement about rock&roll, and how he regards it as a tool of anti religeon. Papa Ratzi.

If a style of music is anti-establishment, it is by inclusion, anti-Roman Catholic Church, as it's part of the established order of things. It's a fair call.

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Melchior: Aids has nothing to do with Papal edicts. What good Catholic would follow the Pope's edict for no contraception, and ignore the one about premarital sex?

Good point!

[ 04-24-2005, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[johnny]

Originally posted by Melchior: quote: Originally posted by johnny: Hm..i've heard the Pope has made a statement about rock&roll, and how he regards it as a tool of anti religeon. Papa Ratzi.

If a style of music is anti-establishment, it is by inclusion, anti-Roman Catholic Church, as it's part of the established order of things. It's a fair call. [/QUOTE]It's an ignorant call, from a moldy old fossile.

[Melchior]

Originally posted by johnny: quote: Originally posted by Melchior: quote: Originally posted by johnny: Hm..i've heard the Pope has made a statement about rock&roll, and how he regards it as a tool of anti religeon. Papa Ratzi.

If a style of music is anti-establishment, it is by inclusion, anti-Roman Catholic Church, as it's part of the established order of things. It's a fair call. [/QUOTE]It's an ignorant call, from a moldy old fossile. [/QUOTE]If rock and roll lyrics are preaching hedonism, they are anti-religion. If they are preaching materialism or glorifying lust, they're anti-religion. If they glorify drugs, alcohol or other addictions, they are anti-religious. If they reduce a woman to being merely buts, boobs or holes, they are being anti-religious.

It's a fair call. It's a fair comment about the values being preached and reinforced by art and society right now.

[johnny]

I'll be damned..it's even worse than i thought.

[Grojlach]

Originally posted by Melchior: If rock and roll lyrics are preaching hedonism, they are anti-religion. If they are preaching materialism or glorifying lust, they're anti-religion. If they glorify drugs, alcohol or other addictions, they are anti-religious. If they reduce a woman to being merely buts, boobs or holes, they are being anti-religious.

No, they're not. Anti-Catholic, perhaps. Not anti-religious.
Even though catholicism isn't really one to talk about issues like the treatment of women and materialism - never mind what they preach, history has shown a certain level of hypocrisy in the Catholic church regarding these subjects, whatever way you turn it.

By the way, just in case you weren't aware of it yet - there's a moratorium instated on any deep religious discussion on this forum, most notably the kind that ends in "is not/are too" banter that you'll get when someone's firm belief system (often with little to no room for compromise) is being questioned. Just a heads up, as there's a certain theme to your posts so far that might tend into the direction of a violation of that moratorium in the longer run. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 04-24-2005, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]