Security guard who shot thief dead could face murder charges - Page 3

Timber Loftis · 07-28-2004, 09:53 AM

Any gun should have at least a 8 to 10-lb. trigger pull, even a woman's gun.

Ronn_Bman · 07-28-2004, 11:49 AM

You never ever ever crack someone in the head and then leave them in an altered state while they are wielding a firearm.

Obviously if she was in her 'right mind', this would have to be considered murder, but the victim in this case provided her with an out by apply brass knuckles to her head during the robbery. After seeing that picture, I'd have a hard time dismissing the fact that she may have still believed herself to be in danger, or even that she pointed it at him but had no intention of pulling the trigger. I also couldn't dismiss the fact that she may have just been enraged and killed him in the heat of the moment, but her injury, inflicted by the victim, would be more than reasonable doubt for me.

My guess? She'll get off on the criminal charge, but she'll lose a civil case to the crook's family.

Timber Loftis · 07-28-2004, 12:37 PM

Not in England. If you win one, you win both, and if you lose one you lose both over there. In fact, the whole OJ scenario (won criminal case, but lost civil) had them rather flumoxed on the other side of the pond.

Just an FYI.

Ronn_Bman · 07-28-2004, 12:51 PM

So a criminal win automatically equals a civil win?

In that case, I say she gets off all around, as the victim's criminal activity more than likely brought about his own death.

[ 07-28-2004, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

Illumina Drathiran'ar · 07-28-2004, 02:11 PM

Hm... The word "Unlawful" jumped out at me from Memnoch's post.
I suppose her actions were unlawful, but were they *wrong*? Does anybody here think so? Actions don't have to be wrong to be unlawful.

Ronn_Bman · 07-28-2004, 03:13 PM

If she was in her right mind, after his attack, and she still pulled that trigger after following the robber to his car then it was both wrong and unlawful.

wellard · 07-29-2004, 10:46 AM

A quality lawyer should get her off, and hopefully the bank will provide one for her... she can claim shock and those head injury's look good enough to win any jury over.

But one thing is for sure she will be charged and she will have to deal with a couple of years of the stress of court and fear of jail. A fact that should never be underestimated.

The only major problem I see may stem from her initial interview with police. Unless she can get it dismissed because she can produce evidence she was suffering from shock. In that interview she "may" have perjured herself

Khazadman Risen · 07-29-2004, 10:56 AM

After seeing that picture I'm even more convinced that she did the right thing.

07-28-2004, 09:53 AM	#21
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	Any gun should have at least a 8 to 10-lb. trigger pull, even a woman's gun. __________________

07-28-2004, 11:49 AM	#22
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 58 Posts: 5,177	You never ever ever crack someone in the head and then leave them in an altered state while they are wielding a firearm. Obviously if she was in her 'right mind', this would have to be considered murder, but the victim in this case provided her with an out by apply brass knuckles to her head during the robbery. After seeing that picture, I'd have a hard time dismissing the fact that she may have still believed herself to be in danger, or even that she pointed it at him but had no intention of pulling the trigger. I also couldn't dismiss the fact that she may have just been enraged and killed him in the heat of the moment, but her injury, inflicted by the victim, would be more than reasonable doubt for me. My guess? She'll get off on the criminal charge, but she'll lose a civil case to the crook's family. __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

07-28-2004, 12:37 PM	#23
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	Not in England. If you win one, you win both, and if you lose one you lose both over there. In fact, the whole OJ scenario (won criminal case, but lost civil) had them rather flumoxed on the other side of the pond. Just an FYI. __________________

07-28-2004, 12:51 PM	#24
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 58 Posts: 5,177	So a criminal win automatically equals a civil win? In that case, I say she gets off all around, as the victim's criminal activity more than likely brought about his own death. [ 07-28-2004, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ] __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

07-28-2004, 02:11 PM	#25
Illumina Drathiran'ar Apophis Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: I can see the Manhattan skyline from my window. Age: 39 Posts: 4,673	Hm... The word "Unlawful" jumped out at me from Memnoch's post. I suppose her actions were unlawful, but were they wrong? Does anybody here think so? Actions don't have to be wrong to be unlawful. __________________ http://cavestory.org PLAY THIS GAME. Seriously. http://xkcd.com/386/ http://www.xkcd.com/406/ My heart is like my coffee. Black, bitter, icy, and with a straw.

07-28-2004, 03:13 PM	#26
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 58 Posts: 5,177	If she was in her right mind, after his attack, and she still pulled that trigger after following the robber to his car then it was both wrong and unlawful. __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

07-29-2004, 10:46 AM	#27
wellard Dracolisk Join Date: November 1, 2002 Location: Australia ..... G\'day! Posts: 6,123	A quality lawyer should get her off, and hopefully the bank will provide one for her... she can claim shock and those head injury's look good enough to win any jury over. But one thing is for sure she will be charged and she will have to deal with a couple of years of the stress of court and fear of jail. A fact that should never be underestimated. The only major problem I see may stem from her initial interview with police. Unless she can get it dismissed because she can produce evidence she was suffering from shock. In that interview she "may" have perjured herself __________________ fossils - natures way of laughing at creationists for over 3 billion years

07-29-2004, 10:56 AM	#28
Khazadman Risen Manshoon Join Date: May 4, 2004 Location: The Glorious South Age: 64 Posts: 174	After seeing that picture I'm even more convinced that she did the right thing. __________________ I\'m reminded of the words of Socrates who said.... I drank what?<br />C. Knight

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