Club For Growth

TL, I agree with you on Bush's recent big spending habbits, I don't like them, but I believe the real reason behind them is political and ment to take badly needed votes away from the dems. I hope that when he is reelected that he will get more real about spending.

Chewie:I quote a recent post of yours.

"Bump for the original post!

Let us all comment on the topics, not on each other."

[Timber Loftis]

Well, MagiK, I recognize your "agreeance" [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img] on the dislike of spending, and you've been consistent there.

Bush's spending habits won't change, I'm afraid. He's exceedingly sensitive to his contributors, and the Bush political engine will keep running after his presidency (with perhaps one more Bush having aspirations in the coming years), so I do not think he'll suddenly change during term #2.

Look, as I've said before, I'll be fine this November. From my point-of-view, I can't lose. If Howard Dean or Clark end up challenging him, and if they win, I'll be happy. However, Bush's reign has not been very bad for me personally, so all won't be lost if he wins. In fact, over the remaining term he has, and into a second one should we choose him again, I hope to get into a financial position where I stand to gain a LOT from his presidency.

[Davros]

Originally posted by MagiK: You must have missed my good news thread [img]smile.gif[/img]

I don't know if it was the content or imagining the delivery from Ray to Mark, but this one liner just gave me a real great gut laugh . Ray, you might suspect there is sarcasm in there somewhere, but I promise there is not. I am just sincerely glad I wasn't drinking a coke at the time .

[Timber Loftis]

In other words, who in the world could have missed the Good News thread? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Davros: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: You must have missed my good news thread [img]smile.gif[/img]

I don't know if it was the content or imagining the delivery from Ray to Mark, but this one liner just gave me a real great gut laugh . Ray, you might suspect there is sarcasm in there somewhere, but I promise there is not. I am just sincerely glad I wasn't drinking a coke at the time . [/QUOTE]
Believe it or not, I put it in there hoping that someone would laugh [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by skywalker: I did read your good news thread, MagiK, but that doesn't mean we need to ignore the bad. The bad news tempers the good and should make us think about how to make more good news happen. My idea to make more good news is to replace Bush, it's part of the Democratic system. I hope for more good news this coming November! Mark

I agree, but I think we will also agree that this forum in particular has been vastly over represented on the bad news side and as far as I can tell...my lil good news thread was one of a kind....I was just hoping to throw out some good news instead of loading up the box everyone else seems to be filling.

As for wanting Bush replaced you are within your rights to vote for whom you want. I pretty much of course have the opposite view that you do, so our votes will cancel each others out this time round...such is our system [img]smile.gif[/img] I hope for good news this coming November as well...just a different kind than yours....news that doesn't revolve around politicians...but around our mutual economic surroundings...news that will benefit us both.....thats what I hope for.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

skywalker - To get back to the original topic of this thread, I agree partly with MagiK that the ad is dissing Howard Dean specifically - but I also agree with you that it disses Vermont in general too. I have to admit that couldn't help but laugh at a couple of the adjectives they used. I mean "Hollywood loving" and "body piercing" are about the LAST TWO adjectives I would think to apply to anybody from Vermont. I don't know if they drink a lot of latte's and Timber already explained why driving Volvo's is a good choice for those that live there. All in all, though, I can certainly understand why the ad would make you mad and I felt it was in extremely bad taste. Like MagiK implied, the ad was SO over-the-top that it almost made me want to vote for Dean - just out of spite. Please note, though, that I did say almost. Don't want to get your hopes up too high. [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img] But I do agree the ad is ignorant and inflammatory and in very bad taste.

Timber - I agree with you about President Bush's spending habits. I really don't see any reason to expect him to change during his second term, if he should be re-elected. I'm not sure what his spending habits were in Texas, but I do remember that he was the CEO of one of the financial institutions that crashed and burned during the Savings & Loan Scandal in the late 80's (before he became Governor of Texas). It is also no secret that he does owe a lot of allegiance to his corporate sponsors.

On the other hand, I do believe that President Bush is a man of deep convictions and integrity and I would hope that more of those qualities would present themselves if he were elected to second term..since he would no longer have to worry about pleasing the powers that helped put him in office.

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: Timber - I agree with you about President Bush's spending habits. I really don't see any reason to expect him to change during his second term, if he should be re-elected. I'm not sure what his spending habits were in Texas, but I do remember that he was the CEO of one of the financial institutions that crashed and burned during the Savings & Loan Scandal in the late 80's (before he became Governor of Texas). It is also no secret that he does owe a lot of allegiance to his corporate sponsors. On the other hand, I do believe that President Bush is a man of deep convictions and integrity and I would hope that more of those qualities would present themselves if he were elected to second term..since he would no longer have to worry about pleasing the powers that helped put him in office.

Just as a general rule and not necessarily just Bush related here, second terms for a president is where you see what he really believes come out. He doesn't have to worry about reelection and can focus directly on exactly what he wants to get done while he is still president.

We may see a completely different Bush in 2005 where domestic spending is concerned. Right now, it is important for him to steal as many Democratic planks and voters while Dean and the rest of the Dems duke it out. Free of the burden of campaining, he will be able to start working on cuts no matter what special interest group they offend....If he does start cuts...at this point..Im hoping his spending is based on reelection strategy and doesn't follow through to next year. Of course with the precident recently set, he may resort to a lot of Executive orders to accomplish things he can't get the votes in congress on.....we will see. I still have faith that the man is as you said, a man of integrity and convictions.

(please no one do the word play on the word convictions...it's too easy and would just be tacky [img]smile.gif[/img] )

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by MagiK: I agree, but I think we will also agree that this forum in particular has been vastly over represented on the bad news side and as far as I can tell...my lil good news thread was one of a kind....I was just hoping to throw out some good news instead of loading up the box everyone else seems to be filling.

TOTALLY OFFTOPIC:

If you don't mind I will omce again toot my own horn, but I personally have started topics in the CE forum about "good news". Several threads on science topics, the thread on successful religous tolerance featuring the Dali Lamma and Muhamed Ali dedicating a multi-faith temple and the Christian Schoolmaster of a Muslim school in Austrailia, several nice exchanges of philosophical ideas, and others. But really thats besides the point.

Most discussion about serious topics is going to have a 'bad news' angle. One person's good news is usually another persons no news and yet possibly another person's bad news. Thats reality. Plus, the media industry is practically a bad news machine. But that is also reality. Bad news tends to be the world's problems in disguise and we can't solve problem with out confronting and examining them.



To reiterate a previous point from another post: the commentary on a comment that seems to have been taken personally-

Comments like:

"....no one here really wants to hear about it. The majority would rather huff and puff about the bad and ignore any good."

Is both unrealistic and unfair to the general populace of the forum. I disagree with this comment. I also find this kind of comment to be 'less than useful'.
It is similiar to a previous commentary that my posting style was alot of complaining as well.

Here is the idea: An opinion of a vast majority of posters in this forum is that they just want to huff and puff and ignore good news is probably an opinion best kept to ones self. Perhaps for the good of the forum.

Now, I certainly don't take it personally as its just an opinion, one I think is not true, yet the comment was offered here publicly to be commented upon so I did so. I do not see why my commenting on these comments could be taken personally.

I can only speak for myself, but I love good news, I pray everyday for good news the world over and I say blessings when I hear/see it. Peace and Prosperity on Earth and Goodwill towards all People.

My apologies, I have been away for awhile so may not have witrnessed some of your posts. I do recall from a long time ago that you did post some science related article but ....I had forgotten it. Still I think my statement is valid, in that the bad news and complaints far outweigh the good news and happiness here.

As for your second statement, want to do a post count of the negative and positive posts? I bet I win [img]smile.gif[/img] Umm as for the rest of what you said, I have to take that to PM as it relates to individual and not topic.

[ 01-13-2004, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]