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[Rokenn]

Originally posted by khazadman: Then you should become Lawful Good TL. I do think that Moore stepped over the line. You can't pick snd choose which laws you will obey. That will lead to anarchy. And I'm a big supporter of laws. I just don't like the weak ass and unimaginative punishments the courts hand down.

I agree, lets hope that Rush gets the 25 year minium sentence for his drug habit.

[Barry the Sprout]

Originally posted by khazadman: Then you should become Lawful Good TL. I do think that Moore stepped over the line. You can't pick snd choose which laws you will obey. That will lead to anarchy. And I'm a big supporter of laws. I just don't like the weak ass and unimaginative punishments the courts hand down.

I agree. Crucifixion's too good for 'em.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Maelakin: Come on, we all know that lawyers and judges are Lawful Evil!!! Only worried about lining their own pockets! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img] Actually, most judges I've met are more concerned with dispensing their view of what is right than with anything else. Usually, they could line their pockets more easily by going to a law firm. However, there's less power there, less power to rule the way they think things should go. Whether they are conservative or liberal, most judges think it's important to help shape society as best they can. Their willingness to do this within the confines of what the law dictates varies, of course.

[Chewbacca]

I can only repeat what I said before on this topic. I lived in Montgomery Alabama for 13 years. They have a whole lot of churches in every community, on every major road. There are probably at least 10 in the downtown area where the State Judicial building is located, including the Dexter Avenue Baptist church of MLK fame. They certainly don't need any monuments on the government property and certainly ARE NOT being oppressed or having religous freedom denied.

Mr. Moore gets what he deserves with his 'impeachment'.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: I'll step up to the plate and do what no one else would dare -- and say the underground railroads were WRONG. We're talking law here. While morally they may have been the right thing to do, legally they were aiding and abetting and conspiring in the theft of property, and smuggling. Let me use a modern example. I may hate SUVs, and, in the future (after we've scorched the sky) it may be a no-brainer that I am morally absolutely right to want to ban such overt abuses of fossil fuels. However, that does not make it legally right for me to vandalize, steal, or destroy SUVs now at this point in history. Another example, in the future it may be a no-brainer that you can't *own* the land, as it's a rather silly concept at base. Until society realizes that, however, it's wrong for me to try to interfere with someone's ownership of their little patch of land. Such are the problems with being Lawful Neutral, you see. And it is a court's job, and a judge's job (while on the job), to be just that.

But the Underground Railroad was not being operated by practicing lawyers and/or judges. Even if individual lawyers or judges aided in the Underground Railroad, it would not have been done in the "official capacity" of their job. They would have to do what the law said during the day and follow what their heart said at night.

But as long as we are talking about upholding the law vs what is morally right, did you know that Abraham Lincoln violated the U.S. Constitution by going to war with the seceding states? Correct me if I'm wrong, counselor, but I believe the U.S. Constitution allows individual states the right to secede from the Union if they so desire. So Abraham Lincoln had no authority to wage war on the Southern States for exercising their right as outlined in the Constitution.

Another little known tidbit...the Civil War was NOT fought over the issue of Slavery. In fact, Lincoln didn't even cite Slavery as a reason for the war until he started facing a lot of criticism and a growing "anti-war" sentiment among the populations of the northern states. Then he used the issue of Slavery as a rallying cause to win back support for the Union's war against the South.

I'm not saying that Lincoln was wrong to do what he did...in fact, history has proven him to be wise beyond his years for taking such actions. America most definitely would NOT be the riegning SuperPower she is today if the Southern states had been allowed to secede. We would have been a divided nation and neither side would be nearly as strong as the unified whole has become.

Just some interesting tidbits to consider.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Oh - and as for MR. Moore's political future - I think the probability of him running for governor is very high. Considering the fact that he still has a huge amount of support from the general population. When he ran for the position of Judge in the first place, he made the promise of building a monument to the 10 Commandments and having it placed in the State Courthouse the cornerstone of his campaign. The promise of the monument is one of the reasons he was elected to be a Judge in the first place.

As Chewbacca pointed out, Alabama is the virtual buckle of the Bible Belt. I expect Moore can parlay this whole affair into a major campaign issue with the purpose of moving into the Governor's Mansion after the next election.

And if he DOES become governor, I can also see him adding a certain controversial monument to the inner decor of the Governor's Mansion...once he moves in. I would say this whole issue is a loooooong way from being over.

[Chewbacca]

I'm inclined to agree with you Cerek that Moore's political 'crusade' has yet to end , but I have doubts he will make it to the Governor's mansion soley on this one issue. Hopefully we will have moved back down there, if/or when it happens, so I can vote for just about anybody else.

The current Bama governer tried to sell a tax increase ballot initiative as the "Christian" thing to vote for and it was soundly defeated at the ballot, so maybe the folks down there don't neccessarliy vote on an issue based soley on interpretation of religous values.

Oh and LOL @ 'The buckle of the bible belt'. Quite a fitting metaphor.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: I'm inclined to agree with you Cerek that Moore's political 'crusade' has yet to end , but I have doubts he will make it to the Governor's mansion soley on this one issue. Hopefully we will have moved back down there, if/or when it happens, so I can vote for just about anybody else. The current Bama governer tried to sell a tax increase ballot initiative as the "Christian" thing to vote for and it was soundly defeated at the ballot, so maybe the folks down there don't neccessarliy vote on an issue based soley on interpretation of religous values. Oh and LOL @ 'The buckle of the bible belt'. Quite a fitting metaphor.

There is a big difference between trying to sell a tax increase as a "Christian thing to do" and displaying a multi-ton granite monument as evidence of your core Christian values. I don't know when the current governors term expires, but if it is within the next two years, I would say Moore would have a good shot at it. Here was a man willing to risk his job for his Christian beliefs...that WILL sell with the Christian crowd. It shows that Moore won't back down from his Christian beliefs, no matter how hard he is pressed to do so.

But time will tell.