Hard hitting article from Michael Meacher MP

[Skunk]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by khazadman: Why would we want to have anything to do with socialism? It's going to bankrupt your countries one day. Especially with socialised medicine as your population gets older.

That's why countries with an ageing population need a steady supply of immigrants. [/QUOTE]That's based on the assumption that todays workers pay the pensions of today's pensioners as a continuing future system.

This is no longer the case in the UK - as you know. In the future, state-pensions will not exist - all will be private. So you will *not* need more immigrants to support an ever burgeoning system.

[Donut]

Originally posted by Skunk: This is no longer the case in the UK - as you know. In the future, state-pensions will not exist - all will be private. So you will *not* need more immigrants to support an ever burgeoning system.

We were discussing social health care rather than benefits in general.

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by Azred: In short, so what if we have a plan to "take over the world"? There isn't anyone who can really stop us if we put our minds to it. Since I am American, my support for this is reasonable because I and my family would benefit. Read my sig--Novus Ordo Seclorum means our New World Order. [img]graemlins/awesomework.gif[/img]

Then consider me your mortal enemy. I will gladly blow myself up and take you with me than be forced to follow where you would lead!

[Skunk]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by Skunk: This is no longer the case in the UK - as you know. In the future, state-pensions will not exist - all will be private. So you will *not* need more immigrants to support an ever burgeoning system.

We were discussing social health care rather than benefits in general. [/QUOTE]Well if the private pension is generous enough, the costs of private health insurance wouldn't be a problem either.

Here in the Netherlands, we pay into private health insurance companies - and get our care in state run hospitals. And the quasi private-public partnership works well.

[antryg]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by antryg: Pllleeease make up your minds! Hate Bush because he is an idiot or an evil mastermind but not both. He can't be both! When you keep changing it makes me want to defend him even when I don't agree.

Well he could be an idiot surrounded by evil masterminds!

BTW antyrg - tell me it ain't true about that Man U thing! [/QUOTE]Oh, do you mean about having an American goalie start? At least at the goalie postition it looks like Yanks are making their presence felt in the Premeir League.

[wellard]

What was this thread about again, I'm lost [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

[Azred]

Originally posted by The Hierophant: quote: Originally posted by Azred: In short, so what if we have a plan to "take over the world"? There isn't anyone who can really stop us if we put our minds to it. Since I am American, my support for this is reasonable because I and my family would benefit. Read my sig--Novus Ordo Seclorum means our New World Order. [img]graemlins/awesomework.gif[/img]

Then consider me your mortal enemy. I will gladly blow myself up and take you with me than be forced to follow where you would lead! [/QUOTE]But I don't consider you an enemy. Understand that this is the beauty of freedom, that two people may disagree completely and stand up for what they believe. The beauty of maturity is to do so without animosity.

Not all would take your comment as calmly or lightly as I do. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by Azred: But I don't consider you an enemy. Understand that this is the beauty of freedom, that two people may disagree completely and stand up for what they believe. The beauty of maturity is to do so without animosity. Not all would take your comment as calmly or lightly as I do. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

indeed. And if 'there is nothing I can really do to stop you' in excercising your point of view besides resorting to violence, then so be it. Make no mistake though, I never attack my enemies. I wait for them to come to me. If they choose not to, great. If they decide to fight, we fight without holding back... Keep your government to yourself, and I'll do the same. Start talking about expanding empire and how I couldn't do anything to stop you and you'll find you may bite off more than you can chew, for no good reason.

[ 09-12-2003, 02:46 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]

[Donut]

Originally posted by antryg: Oh, do you mean about having an American goalie start? At least at the goalie postition it looks like Yanks are making their presence felt in the Premeir League.

No - I mean this!!!

[antryg]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by antryg: Oh, do you mean about having an American goalie start? At least at the goalie postition it looks like Yanks are making their presence felt in the Premeir League.

No - I mean this!!! [/QUOTE]Well of course that's true. Besides, I look good in red.