BG1 TRIVIA #3!!!

[RoSs_bg2_rox]

Ok, sorry, I had completely forgotten. I would like to have a go, but it can't be tonight as I am just leaving. I shall try tomorrow, if time permits, if not certainly by friday. Is that OK?

[Lord]

Originally posted by RoSs_bg2_rox: Ok, sorry, I had completely forgotten. I would like to have a go, but it can't be tonight as I am just leaving. I shall try tomorrow, if time permits, if not certainly by friday. Is that OK?

Sure, I'll wait. No one seems to have complained for the answers anyway

[Dace De'Briago]

lol, tommorow mate

I should have a few hours spare in work tonight to do it

[Black Robed One]

I’ve just PMed my answered for the Triva #3 to Lord.

However, I cannot help wondering, why Cyric was placed bellow Bhaal in rankling?! Just because the main character is the son/daughter of Bhaal?!

Seriously, not only Cyric was the one who killed Bhaal during the Time of Troubles (although he would have died as well in an explosion that followed the death of a god, if only not for Midnight’s teleportation spell; Cyric didn’t mind it, though, his words at this time were, “At least, before I died, I’ve killed a god!”), but also Cyric was far superior to Bhaal when he became a god himself (even later, when Cyric lost domain over Death to Kelevmor, and domain over Tyranny to reborn Bane; Bhaal was never reborn, and Cyric remained Lord of Murder, in addition to being Master of Illusions and Deceptions, Prince of Lies, and Sower of Strife).

EDIT: I almost forgot that Cyric also became Lord of Intrigues (taking domain over Intrigues from Mask just as he was losing domain over Death to Kelevmor). Also, I don't remember it well, but I think that Bane reclaimed domain over Strife from Cyric after his (Bane's) rebirth. And also, Cyric never had domain over Tyranny; after Bane's death, Tyranny was taken by Bane's son - [something] Xvim, who eventually turned-out to be nothing but temporal "container" for Bane's essence and "fueled" Bane's rebirth.

[ 01-27-2005, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: Black Robed One ]

[Lord]

Originally posted by Black Robed One: I’ve just PMed my answered for the Triva #3 to Lord. However, I cannot help wondering, why Cyric was placed bellow Bhaal in rankling?! Just because the main character is the son/daughter of Bhaal?! Seriously, not only Cyric was the one who killed Bhaal during the Time of Troubles (although he would have died as well in an explosion that followed the death of a god, if only not for Midnight’s teleportation spell; Cyric didn’t mind it, though, his words at this time were, “At least, before I died, I’ve killed a god!”), but also Cyric was far superior to Bhaal when he became a god himself (even later, when Cyric lost domain over Death to Kelevmor, and domain over Tyranny to reborn Bane; Bhaal was never reborn, and Cyric remained Lord of Murder, in addition to being Master of Illusions and Deceptions, Prince of Lies, and Sower of Strife). EDIT: I almost forgot that Cyric also became Lord of Intrigues (taking domain over Intrigues from Mask just as he was losing domain over Death to Kelevmor). Also, I don't remember it well, but I think that Bane reclaimed domain over Strife from Cyric after his (Bane's) rebirth. And also, Cyric never had domain over Tyranny; after Bane's death, Tyranny was taken by Bane's son - [something] Xvim, who eventually turned-out to be nothing but temporal "container" for Bane's essence and "fueled" Bane's rebirth.

One of the reasons that Bhaal is placed above Cyric is because of the lineage of the main character. However, there is something else that I recall from one of the books in the game, although I don't remember it very well. It was something about 3 people (one of them Bhaal, and I believe Cyric was another one of them) having a choice of what position they would take. Bhaal ended up having the last choice, but he outsmarted the other 2 by making his choice last. Sorry, this might have just sounded very confusing, especially since I don't really remember the contents of the information in the book clearly. It may not even have been talking about Cyric.

Anyway...here are the new scores:

SixOfSpades: Ulraunt (79 points)
ZFR: Ulraunt (79 points)
Brainless One: Ulraunt (78 points)
Black Robed One: Drizzt (68 points)
Illumina Drathiran'ar: Rieltar (63 points)
Dplax: Berrun Ghastkill (28 points)

And you thought you were gonna be at the bottom, Black Robed One?
Will wait a little longer for Dace and Ross.

[ZFR]

that was Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul [img]smile.gif[/img] ...

[RoSs_bg2_rox]

Can I plead an extension till Saturday? I will certainly have it done by then. I am going to a charity event tonight, and so do not have the time.

Cheers,
Ross

[Lord]

Originally posted by RoSs_bg2_rox: Can I plead an extension till Saturday? I will certainly have it done by then. I am going to a charity event tonight, and so do not have the time. Cheers, Ross

It's for a good cause...sure

[Black Robed One]

Originally posted by Lord: quote: Originally posted by Black Robed One: I’ve just PMed my answered for the Triva #3 to Lord. However, I cannot help wondering, why Cyric was placed bellow Bhaal in rankling?! Just because the main character is the son/daughter of Bhaal?! Seriously, not only Cyric was the one who killed Bhaal during the Time of Troubles (although he would have died as well in an explosion that followed the death of a god, if only not for Midnight’s teleportation spell; Cyric didn’t mind it, though, his words at this time were, “At least, before I died, I’ve killed a god!”), but also Cyric was far superior to Bhaal when he became a god himself (even later, when Cyric lost domain over Death to Kelevmor, and domain over Tyranny to reborn Bane; Bhaal was never reborn, and Cyric remained Lord of Murder, in addition to being Master of Illusions and Deceptions, Prince of Lies, and Sower of Strife). EDIT: I almost forgot that Cyric also became Lord of Intrigues (taking domain over Intrigues from Mask just as he was losing domain over Death to Kelevmor). Also, I don't remember it well, but I think that Bane reclaimed domain over Strife from Cyric after his (Bane's) rebirth. And also, Cyric never had domain over Tyranny; after Bane's death, Tyranny was taken by Bane's son - [something] Xvim, who eventually turned-out to be nothing but temporal "container" for Bane's essence and "fueled" Bane's rebirth.

One of the reasons that Bhaal is placed above Cyric is because of the lineage of the main character. However, there is something else that I recall from one of the books in the game, although I don't remember it very well. It was something about 3 people (one of them Bhaal, and I believe Cyric was another one of them) having a choice of what position they would take. Bhaal ended up having the last choice, but he outsmarted the other 2 by making his choice last. Sorry, this might have just sounded very confusing, especially since I don't really remember the contents of the information in the book clearly. It may not even have been talking about Cyric.

Anyway...here are the new scores:

SixOfSpades: Ulraunt (79 points)
ZFR: Ulraunt (79 points)
Brainless One: Ulraunt (78 points)
Black Robed One: Drizzt (68 points)
Illumina Drathiran'ar: Rieltar (63 points)
Dplax: Berrun Ghastkill (28 points)

And you thought you were gonna be at the bottom, Black Robed One?
Will wait a little longer for Dace and Ross. [/QUOTE]I hope you wouldn’t mind my correcting this a little bit (I may not know much about Baldur’s Gate, but I DO know quite a lot [if I do say so myself] about Forgotten Realms)…

The three mortals who won their godhood from Jergal (former God of Death, now he is merely a scribe and advisor for God of Death, and he already outlasted two Gods of Death – Merkul and Cyric) were indeed Bane, Bhaal and Merkul, just as ZFR rightly said. But actually, even though that book indeed says that Bhaal claimed to have outsmarted his companions, in reality, Bhaal was inferior to both Bane and Merkul. Bane was acknowledged leader of the three, though Merkul seemed to obey him only when it served his purpose – Merkul himself seemed to have preferred to work from behind rather then stand in the front (at least, it was so during the Time of Troubles).

At some point during the Time of Troubles (at the end of the second novel of Avatar Trilogy – Tantras), Bane sacrificed all the assassins on Toril (even though they were Bhaal’s worshipers) to Merkul, so that Merkul could cast a spell that would allow Bane to imbue his avatar with power of those who die nearby; thus greatly weakening Bhaal. Actually, it seems that Bane and Merkul’s influence over Bhaal was so that they never bothered to ask Bhaal himself before sacrificing all his worshipers.

After Bane and Torm (who asked his worshipers to willingly sacrifice their lives so that he could match his power with Bane, thus protecting the rest of Tantras) killed each us, Bhaal was working for Merkul, but later (somewhere in the middle of the third novel of Avatar Trilogy – Waterdeep) Cyric (a mortal back then) killed Bhaal, though he himself was barely saved from the explosion that followed Bhaal’s death.

In the end of Time of Troubles, Ao (Overlord of Gods) made Cyric into a god, allowing him to take power of Bane (with exception of Tyranny, which was taken by Bane’s son), Bhaal and Merkul, all of whom were slain during the Time of Troubles; since then, Cyric bore the title of Lord of Three Crowns, even though he lost some of this power later (Death to Kelevmor, and Strife to reborn Bane). Seemingly almost as soon as he became a god, Cyric murdered the Goddess of Illusions and Deceptions (forgot her name), taking her domains and also adding Lies to his domains. Though Cyric lost domain over Death soon enough, he gained domain over Intrigue from Mask at the same time.

With Bane’s return (and Cyric’s loss of domain over Strife), Cyric’s power (which was at first superior to that of any other god), more or less leveled with that of the other Greater Gods, but Cyric still remained stronger then the most of them. While I know little about Bhaal himself (except from what little information I got from Baldur’s Game and Avatar Trilogy), I believe that he was Intermediate God at best, probably even just a Lesser God.

By the way, Cyric is also perceived by many as an “unofficial” God of Madness (and at some point of his godhood [described in a novel Crucible: The Trial of Cyric the Mad], Cyric was even trialed for “Innocence by the reason of insanity”, although in the end he was found “guilty”, and thus, fit to fulfill his godly duties – spread Strife, Murder, Intrigues, Lies and Deceptions throughout the Realms), though Cyric doesn’t seem interested in “officially” claiming the domain over Madness.

P.S.

To be truthful, I thought I would answer better then Dplax did (no offense meant), but I wasn’t sure if my answers would be better then Illumina Drathiran'ar’s or no.

[ 01-29-2005, 05:34 AM: Message edited by: Black Robed One ]

[dplax]

Originally posted by Black Robed One: To be truthful, I thought I would answer better then Dplax did (no offense meant), but I wasn’t sure if my answers would be better then Illumina Drathiran'ar’s or no.

No offense taken. I knew I was going to be the weakest. I only finished the game once, and that was more than a year ago.