why do you want to play solo???

[Alson]

Actually, the hardest solo IMO would be a single classed Thief, on Insane, with Ascension and all of the components from the Tactics Mod.
A solo Fighter with the same Mods setup will also have a hard time.

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Alson: Actually, the hardest solo IMO would be a single classed Thief, on Insane, with Ascension and all of the components from the Tactics Mod. A solo Fighter with the same Mods setup will also have a hard time.

Thieves have Spike Traps. [img]tongue.gif[/img] No other class can boast an instant-kill on Improved Demogorgan( except Bards). A particular cheesy Thief can carpet layer the entire area of the grounds outside Watcher's Keep and lead Pontifex on a nightmarish merry-go-round of death.

Final ToB Battle? Maybe some difficulty, but do not forget that he/she has Use Any Item... so almost all cheese tactics are available to the Thief.

I am undecided on the plain Fighter, but I know a pureclassed Wizard Slayer is not to be sniffed at.

The reason why I nominated the Abjurer is because that class has no Stoneskins or Time Stop.

[Alson]

One cannot lay traps when enemies are in sight.

For example, how is the Thief going to deal with the Improved Dragons?
They become hostile when a Trap is set in their Cavern.
And in order to even GET to fight with Pontefix, one must first beat the Ritual Mod without dying AND resting... How is a Thief going to do that?

And about Abjurers... Between summons-en-mass and all the invisibility spells, the lack of Stoneskin can be less disturbing.
And Time Stop is by no means a necessity when one can cast Improved Alacrity and Dragon Breath and summon hordes of Planetars.

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Alson: One cannot lay traps when enemies are in sight.

Fog of War and Boots of Speed. Every Thief's best friends.

For example, how is the Thief going to deal with the Improved Dragons? They become hostile when a Trap is set in their Cavern.

One Spike Trap and the Dragon is gasping for life already. Shoot some Acid Arrows or Bolts of Biting to finish them off( standard solo Archer tactics).

And in order to even GET to fight with Pontefix, one must first beat the Ritual Mod without dying AND resting... How is a Thief going to do that?

Mislead Exploit. None can see me... heh, heh, heh... ...

Cue the bloody screams of a thousand backstabbings.

And about Abjurers... Between summons-en-mass and all the invisibility spells, the lack of Stoneskin can be less disturbing. And Time Stop is by no means a necessity when one can cast Improved Alacrity and Dragon Breath and summon hordes of Planetars.

It is not impossible, but it is harder.

[Alson]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: quote: For example, how is the Thief going to deal with the Improved Dragons? They become hostile when a Trap is set in their Cavern.

One Spike Trap and the Dragon is gasping for life already. Shoot some Acid Arrows or Bolts of Biting to finish them off( standard solo Archer tactics).[/QUOTE]Huh?
From my personal experience, Spike Traps deal 50 damage on average.
The average Dragon's HP, on the other hand, are about 190.
I fail to see how at 60% health the Dragon will be "gasping for life".

quote: And in order to even GET to fight with Pontefix, one must first beat the Ritual Mod without dying AND resting... How is a Thief going to do that?

Mislead Exploit. None can see me... heh, heh, heh... ...[/QUOTE]That would require quite a lot of Mislead scrolls, as Mislead does not last long, and there are seven different groups.

Oh, and have i mentioned that the Skulls can see through invisibility? And target you? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Alson: Huh? From my personal experience, Spike Traps deal 50 damage on average. The average Dragon's HP, on the other hand, are about 190. I fail to see how at 60% health the Dragon will be "gasping for life".

50 only? I usually get 60-70, but even without Spike Traps, they are very proficient Dragon-Hunters with the Tuigan Bow and the Boots of Speed( or the Oil of Speed).

That would require quite a lot of Mislead scrolls, as Mislead does not last long, and there are seven different groups. Oh, and have i mentioned that the Skulls can see through invisibility? And target you? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

The Skull barely registers on the radar, and its' attack rate is laughable. Mislead lasts up to 2 turns. Without the Improved Mind Flayer mod, a Blade can clear out the Underdark's Mind Flayer city with 2 Mislead scrolls for a comparison. Since we are talking about backstabbing here... the process will be much faster.

[ 11-17-2002, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

[Timber Loftis]

This is yet another "how-to-kill-all-things-cheesily" thread that makes me just wish the folks at Bioware had put a Wand-of-I-Win in the game.

[Bardan the Slayer]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: This is yet another "how-to-kill-all-things-cheesily" thread that makes me just wish the folks at Bioware had put a Wand-of-I-Win in the game.

That's a bit unfair. You have to realise, there are 2 types of person - those who think that the cceptable constraints to win under are the roleplay constraints (people who don't prep for battles they shouldn't *know* they are going to have), and people who think that the constraints should be those imposed by the game.

Although I don't play this way, I think the continual lambasting of people who see a game exploit as an opportunity rather than a bug is a bit O.T.T

[Timber Loftis]

I don't think my lambasting is continual, and I only do it because it seems to me I'm one of the very few of this opinion. No doubt folks like Dundee have invaluable game info and incomparable understanding of BGII. I'm not knocking them for that. And, neat tricks like the Saemon brain-eat are incredibly ingenious. But the "here's how to get 624,000hp damage in one round" aspect of what these discussions becomes simply irks me a bit. Sorry for making MHO known.

Besides a Wand-of-I-Win certainly would save me some trouble against Melissan right now.

I would ask: do solo players find BG more entertaining that Icewind Dale. If so, why?

[Bardan the Slayer]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: I don't think my lambasting is continual, and I only do it because it seems to me I'm one of the very few of this opinion. No doubt folks like Dundee have invaluable game info and incomparable understanding of BGII. I'm not knocking them for that. And, neat tricks like the Saemon brain-eat are incredibly ingenious. But the "here's how to get 624,000hp damage in one round" aspect of what these discussions becomes simply irks me a bit. Sorry for making MHO known. Besides a Wand-of-I-Win certainly would save me some trouble against Melissan right now. I would ask: do solo players find BG more entertaining that Icewind Dale. If so, why?

Oh, I didn't mean *you* continually lambasted people. I have seen it at many boards, and I just replied to yours. Sorry if you thought I was singling you out as some sort of uber-criticiser, or something

And I happen to agree with you - i get more satisfaction from using the skills of my party in a roleplay situation than my skills as a game exploiter

I just think that sometimes people en masse get a bit over critical of people who are only, after all, enjoying the game they own in the way they like the most [img]smile.gif[/img]