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Assassin · 01-09-2004, 09:21 PM

And I'll laugh when he casts PfMW and takes it all away... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

masteraleph · 01-14-2004, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nerull:
In fact, the missile animation sped up along with the ApR if I remember right, so you may be correct that it can only show one missile at a time on the screen.

Nope. The reason relates to how GWW and Improved Haste work. There is a hard limit of 5 attacks per round, so in order to get 10 (GWW) or to double (IH), they cut the character's round length in half. In GWW's case, it also sets the ApR to 5, in IH's case, it just keeps them the same. Since the round is shorter, the arrows travel more quickly.

Dace De'Briago · 01-14-2004, 03:46 AM

We can go +1 better on the THAC0.

Elves get +1 to hit with any bow, shortswords and longswords in true AD&D. Implemented in BG2?

Yay!?

And although the *rock bottom* Dexterity is 25 with DUHM, we can get a permanent 21 in Dexterity as an Elf (+4 THAC0 with ranged weapons... instead of the +5 offered by Dexterity 25).

Not too shoddy eh.

Dundee Slaytern · 01-14-2004, 03:54 AM

/me ponders... ...

SoA-ToB Spoilers
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19 base
-1 DEX in Hell
+1 from Lum's Machine
+1 from BG1?
The Ioun Stone that +1 DEX?

Tyrion · 01-14-2004, 04:02 AM

what good bows are there for the different stages of the game then?

Dundee Slaytern · 01-14-2004, 04:08 AM

For Powergamers.

Chap2: Tuigan Bow
Chap3: Tuigan Bow, purchase Tansheron's Bow to deal with pesky Iron/Adamantite Golems.
Chap4: Tuigan Bow, Tansheron's Bow
Chap5: Tuigan Bow, Tansheron's Bow
Chap6: Tuigan Bow, use The Short Bow of Gesen to deal with Demi-Liches and Mages, keep the Tansheron Bow for Iron/Adamantite Golems, because it will deal more damage.
Chap7 and the whole of ToB: Same as Chap6

Roleplayers might want to use Strongarm, Heartseeker, Elven Court Bow, Mana Bow or even the plain Composite Longbow. [img]smile.gif[/img]

SixOfSpades · 01-14-2004, 05:14 AM

Actually, the Tuigan Bow loses some of its spark after the Archer using hits Level 13. Assuming Grandmastery in Short Bow, using the Tuigan Bow will grant you an ApR of 5.5--but since that's impossible, you're essentially "wasting" half an attack per round. I would prefer 4.5 ApR with Gesen or Tansheron (or Firetooth or the Mana Bow) to 5 ApR with Tuigan.

Rataxes · 01-14-2004, 05:57 AM

Archers can also use the GoES, right? That would bring your permanent ApR up to the maximum of 5, using any short bow you like.

Dundee Slaytern · 01-14-2004, 06:09 AM

Depends on whether you have the Grandmastery Patch or not.

Without,

Tuigan Bow:
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Base: 3
Lvl 7/13: 4
GoES: 4.5
5*: 5

Other Shortbows, Longbows and the Light Crossbow of Speed will have 4 ApR.

The remaining Crossbows will have 3 ApR.
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With the GM Patch, all bows and the LCoSpeed will have 5 ApR, while the remaining Crossbows will have 4 ApR.

With the GM Patch, the Short Bow of Gesen will be the most damaging, followed by the Strongarm Longbow.

Without the GM Patch, it will be the Tuigan Bow.

Assassin · 01-14-2004, 08:21 AM

Isn't the GM patch faulty in that it gives a whole ApR for GM? IIRC, it's supposed to only give half an attack.

01-09-2004, 09:21 PM	#21
Assassin Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 23, 2003 Location: Canada Age: 36 Posts: 1,134	And I'll laugh when he casts PfMW and takes it all away... [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ In The Terminator, Sarah Connor is told a speech by John Connor\'s father that John has given in the future. When John is born, Sarah tells John this speech, and John grows up to tell it in the future. So who wrote the speech?!

01-14-2004, 03:46 AM	#23
Dace De'Briago Silver Dragon Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Wales Age: 43 Posts: 1,617	We can go +1 better on the THAC0. Elves get +1 to hit with any bow, shortswords and longswords in true AD&D. Implemented in BG2? Yay!? And although the rock bottom Dexterity is 25 with DUHM, we can get a permanent 21 in Dexterity as an Elf (+4 THAC0 with ranged weapons... instead of the +5 offered by Dexterity 25). Not too shoddy eh. __________________ Warning: Powergamer

01-14-2004, 04:02 AM	#25
Tyrion Quintesson Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: straight outta Kålltorp Age: 37 Posts: 1,081	what good bows are there for the different stages of the game then? __________________ ...with the Bible and the Uzi as weapons

01-14-2004, 05:14 AM	#27
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	Actually, the Tuigan Bow loses some of its spark after the Archer using hits Level 13. Assuming Grandmastery in Short Bow, using the Tuigan Bow will grant you an ApR of 5.5--but since that's impossible, you're essentially "wasting" half an attack per round. I would prefer 4.5 ApR with Gesen or Tansheron (or Firetooth or the Mana Bow) to 5 ApR with Tuigan. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

01-14-2004, 05:57 AM	#28
Rataxes Symbol of Cyric Join Date: November 17, 2002 Location: Sweden Age: 38 Posts: 1,359	Archers can also use the GoES, right? That would bring your permanent ApR up to the maximum of 5, using any short bow you like. __________________ [img]\"http://atlas.walagata.com/w/rataxes/ymca3.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />I want <b>YOU!</b>

01-14-2004, 03:54 AM	#24
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	/me ponders... ... SoA-ToB Spoilers ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 19 base -1 DEX in Hell +1 from Lum's Machine +1 from BG1? The Ioun Stone that +1 DEX?

01-14-2004, 04:08 AM	#26
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	For Powergamers. Chap2: Tuigan Bow Chap3: Tuigan Bow, purchase Tansheron's Bow to deal with pesky Iron/Adamantite Golems. Chap4: Tuigan Bow, Tansheron's Bow Chap5: Tuigan Bow, Tansheron's Bow Chap6: Tuigan Bow, use The Short Bow of Gesen to deal with Demi-Liches and Mages, keep the Tansheron Bow for Iron/Adamantite Golems, because it will deal more damage. Chap7 and the whole of ToB: Same as Chap6 Roleplayers might want to use Strongarm, Heartseeker, Elven Court Bow, Mana Bow or even the plain Composite Longbow. [img]smile.gif[/img]

01-14-2004, 06:09 AM	#29
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Depends on whether you have the Grandmastery Patch or not. Without, Tuigan Bow: ---- Base: 3 Lvl 7/13: 4 GoES: 4.5 5*: 5 Other Shortbows, Longbows and the Light Crossbow of Speed will have 4 ApR. The remaining Crossbows will have 3 ApR. ____ With the GM Patch, all bows and the LCoSpeed will have 5 ApR, while the remaining Crossbows will have 4 ApR. With the GM Patch, the Short Bow of Gesen will be the most damaging, followed by the Strongarm Longbow. Without the GM Patch, it will be the Tuigan Bow.

01-14-2004, 08:21 AM	#30
Assassin Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 23, 2003 Location: Canada Age: 36 Posts: 1,134	Isn't the GM patch faulty in that it gives a whole ApR for GM? IIRC, it's supposed to only give half an attack. __________________ In The Terminator, Sarah Connor is told a speech by John Connor\'s father that John has given in the future. When John is born, Sarah tells John this speech, and John grows up to tell it in the future. So who wrote the speech?!

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