Elemental Resistant Cavalier

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Leslie: Hmm, at least two contradictions in your post ...

Which were what, pray? Did you look at my Ring + Helm calculations and even notice that they were named in a different order?

[Leslie]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: quote: Originally posted by Leslie: Hmm, at least two contradictions in your post ...

Which were what, pray? Did you look at my Ring + Helm calculations and even notice that they were named in a different order? [/QUOTE]Here's one - Dragon Helm: Sets Fire Resistance to 25%. Since this figure is lower than the character's existing 40%, the computer ignores it.

If you say that Helm sets FR then how come computer ignores it ?

Remember the pre-Tactics Carsomyr which set MR to 50% ? Even if you used items to up the MR, whenever you swung the sword MR went back to 50% (except in combination with innate MR - so even that is not setting ).
So that was really close to setting something. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Dragon Helm is far from that. Sometimes it sets, sometimes you add something to it (so that is not setting) and sometimes it is ignored (and that is not setting either).

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Leslie: Here's one - Dragon Helm: Sets Fire Resistance to 25%. Since this figure is lower than the character's existing 40%, the computer ignores it. If you say that Helm sets FR then how come computer ignores it ?

Because it's true. The Helm does set your FR, and if doing so would lower your pre-existing FR, it ignores the item that "sets." Four scenarios:
1) Equip Dragon Helm, then Ring of Fire Resistance. =25%, +40%. Result: 65%.
2) Equip Ring of Fire Resistance, then Dragon Helm. +40%, =25%. Result: 40%.
3) Equip Dragon Helm, then Gorgon Plate. =25%, +15%. Result: 40%.
4) Equip Gorgon Plate, then Dragon Helm. +15%, =25%. Result: 25%.

Remember the pre-Tactics Carsomyr which set MR to 50% ? Even if you used items to up the MR, whenever you swung the sword MR went back to 50% (except in combination with innate MR - so even that is not setting ).

The reason the MR kept going back to 50% was because the Infinity Engine treats every swing of a weapon as re-equipping that weapon. (BioWare seem to have had this in mind when they made Carsomyr to be =50% as opposed to +50%, since this would prevent Carsomyr from being truly overpowered and granting its wielder virtual immunity to people like....the final boss.)
And you're right about the oddness of a weapon that sets MR being stackable with innate MR....I can only surmise that a character's *innate* resistances are constantly being added, so that even when you're swinging Carsomyr as fast as you can, your innate MR is still being tacked on to it.

Dragon Helm is far from that. Sometimes it sets, sometimes you add something to it (so that is not setting) and sometimes it is ignored (and that is not setting either).

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the IE engine does this at random, or sets resistances according to its whims, or something. There IS a system. Weimer tried to pull the "random" thing on me too.

[ 11-03-2003, 06:32 PM: Message edited by: SixOfSpades ]

[Leslie]

I actually went and tested all four combinations that you mentioned.
My result: FR is always added by Helm or by Shield. The order of equiping is not important. I have all the patches and a couple of mods. Maybe that's another Weimer thing that he changed?

But thinking back to original game:
oh, and these maybe are spoilers for someone who doesn't know where to get Dragon Helm and Dragon Scales Shield
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you find them before fighting Firkraag and the logic is, that you should be able to protect from fire, right? So in combination with Ring of FR you should have 90% FR.

Since both Shield and Helm set FR, one shouldn't be using both of them on one character.
They should be used by two characters. This is not logical from my point of view.

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Leslie: I actually went and tested all four combinations that you mentioned. My result: FR is always added by Helm or by Shield. The order of equiping is not important. I have all the patches and a couple of mods. Maybe that's another Weimer thing that he changed?

Prompted by this, I went and dug up the Dragon Helm and Shield using IEEP. Neither item was present in my Override folder, meaning that they haven't been tweaked by Weimer or anyone else. For its Fire/Cold/Electric Resists, the Shield uses Modifier Type 00, meaning that its Resistances are cumulative--thus contradicting its Item Description--and the Helm uses Modifier Type 01, which means it will set the wearer's Resistances to the specified amount. Despite the Helm's Modifier Type 01, however, I tested the items in-game, and confirmed your observations that both the Helm and Shield will stack with the Ring of Fire Resistance and the Gorgon Plate, no matter the order in which the items were equipped.

In conclusion, I still believe that the IE uses some kind of system for determining Resistances, but now I must admit that I'm not too sure just what that system is.