Where to find bag of holding?

[Alson]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: There is no Bag of Holding in Watcher's Keep. With that out of the way, a mini-rant on soloing and the 'hassle' of storing items. ... ...

You're quite right - your mini-rant makes a lot of sense.

Still, I have to pose a question. You installed Ease-of-Use's stacking component because, presumably, you disagreed with BioWare's rule that, for example, arrows can only be stacked up to 40. Plus, it saves you time. Now, I disagree with BioWare that my inventory can only hold up to 16 items. I can certainly imagine my 19 STR fighter carrying a bag with, say, 30 items. Is it really THAT different? My answer is no.

Soloing is about hardship, and the lack of inventory space is part of that hardship. It kind of defeats the spirit of soloing if you cheat in items you should not have.

Only if these items grant you extra power. CLUAing the SotM is an example for something that eases the hardship. The Bag of Holding is merely a convinience.

Heh... in fact... if you want to truly experience raw soloing, do what I do now, no unexplainable pre-buffing. It can be done, although you might need to reload more often. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Heh... I used to do it... but it's not really an option in a Solo-No-Reloads game. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Alson: Still, I have to pose a question. You installed Ease-of-Use's stacking component because, presumably, you disagreed with BioWare's rule that, for example, arrows can only be stacked up to 40. Plus, it saves you time. Now, I disagree with BioWare that my inventory can only hold up to 16 items. I can certainly imagine my 19 STR fighter carrying a bag with, say, 30 items. Is it really THAT different? My answer is no.

I found my arrows, did you find your Bag of Holding?

Only if these items grant you extra power. CLUAing the SotM is an example for something that eases the hardship. The Bag of Holding is merely a convinience.

This is false, because the BoH can in fact increase your power indirectly. The bag itself does nothing to improve your statistics, but it enables you to carry many, many items that throws any concept of pre-planning-packing out of the window.

The player no longer needs to worry about what to carry, and what to not. That is more power to the player.

Heh... I used to do it... but it's not really an option in a Solo-No-Reloads game. [img]smile.gif[/img]

No powergaming pre-buffing and reload solo game! The ultimate test of insanity and skill! [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

[dulouz]

Originally posted by pcgiant: I am very very very sure there is no Bag of Holding in WK. Where did you find yours, Josephine?

I may have to head to WK now. I'm 80% sure i found one there when I played it the first time.

dulouz.

[Gangrell]

There's no Bag of Holding in Watcher's Keep I don't think, though there is one you can get from Lararus in Saradush.

[SixOfSpades]

Where I stand on the BoH issue: I have *never* cheated myself a premature Bag. But, if I were Soloing, I definitely would. Let's face it, BG's system of Inventory handling is irreparably flawed, and I will not bend over backwards to try to adhere to it. Take, for example, a purist-roleplayer in a Solo game. If you were in the Windspear Hills, and you happened across a chest that contained 17 different types of highly valuable Potions, you would have to make two trips to sell them all. Or, you could abuse your powergaming knowledge and make an early trip to WK, for the Potion Case you know is there.

Me, I would cheat in a Bag, because I'm not going to cater to a philosophy that says two Diamonds and a Pearl take up more room than a suit of Full Plate. The Bag does not change the odds of any fight in any way--sure, I can just toss everything I find in my Bag and bring it out again when I think I'm gonna need, say, Fire Resistance, but the only thing that saves me is a trip back to my Stronghold. And that trip equals: 40 hours of game time (So What?) plus five minutes of *my* time (Annoyance). I do not play BG to be annoyed. I'm not saying you're wrong, of course, Dundee, CLUAing in a Bag is still cheating. But it seems perfectly fair to me, at least for Solo games.

Watcher's Keep does indeed contain two very nice Containers, but neither of them is a Bag of Holding.

[Rataxes]

Flaws with the inventory system go two ways. You think it's unreasonable that a diamond and a few pearls take more space than a full plate? I think it's somewhat unreasonable that a character should be able to run around at normal speed while carrying 17 Full Plates The system might give you a few unrealistic and illogical limitations, but they pale in comparison to the advantages it gives you.

I'm with Dundee, inventory management is just yet another aspect of the game. Knowing what to carry with you to make the most doe at the next stop at a merchant is surely a minor challenge in itself I know it doesn't affect the difficulty of the fights in any way, but the game is IMHO not all about the fights.

Btw, a NRS game without pre-knowledge? Sheer luck and stubborness that knows no boundaries would be what counts there I reckon Skill alone simply cannot save one from the dire situations those sort of conditions would create.

[ 04-17-2003, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: Rataxes ]

[Imrahil]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: I found my arrows, did you find your Bag of Holding?

But, let's say you found 19 stacks of 40 Arrows - how exactly do you reconcile the fact that your character is carrying 760 arrows, if we're talking realism here? That's not even getting into the idea of carrying 17 suits of armor... [img]smile.gif[/img]

This is false, because the BoH can in fact increase your power indirectly. The bag itself does nothing to improve your statistics, but it enables you to carry many, many items that throws any concept of pre-planning-packing out of the window. The player no longer needs to worry about what to carry, and what to not. That is more power to the player.

I understand this, but you might as well say that having 16 backpack slots is also an indirect increase in power, since you could carry around, say, 4 suits of armor for the right occasion plus 7 Swords for just the right opponent with a few Shields, just in case.

If Encumbrance was based not just on weight & slots but also on, well, encumbrance, then I'd probably agree with you (if, e.g., a suit of Splint Mail added weight AND took up 3 slots). But as long as 3 Notes, a Red Piece of Cloth, & a Harper Amulet takes as much room as 5 suits of Full Plate, any arguments based on "extra slots = extra power" is flawed.

FWIW, I tend to cheat in an early Bag of Holding in most of my games, primarily to hold notes, quest items, & Item Upgrade components, most of which combined aren't as cumbersome as 1 suit of Chainmail. I use it for anything I don't feel like running back to my Stronghold to retrieve. It's an Ease of Use that's not included in EaseOfUse, IMO.

Incidently, the ToB Bag of Holding is, I believe, bought from the Arcana Archives (although the Expanded Thief Stronghold MOD can get you an extra one, as well).

- Imrahil