06-27-2002, 11:05 AM | #21 |
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I don't the believe "God" in the Pledge has been defined, has it?
It does not say "One nation, under the Christian God", does it? Can it mean any God that applies to you? If it IS a big deal, shouldn't "In God We Trust" on our American money be removed. Maybe it should read "In Gold We Trust"! I don't really care, but the US government should not split hairs. If there is a division between Church and State, it should be all or nothing. I think there are bigger problems for the American people and our Government to worry about right now. Like the budget, a possible stock market crash, and other more important issues. Mark |
06-27-2002, 11:09 AM | #22 |
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Well, Mark, the Christian God is usually called God. If it was an undefined god it would have to be in A god we trust.
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06-27-2002, 11:13 AM | #24 |
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Ooops! Sorry, I kinda knew that, but I think it was filed way back in my brain. Thanx for the correction guys!
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06-27-2002, 11:25 AM | #25 |
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Americans might have to say the pledge every morning before school with the god stuff in it. but at my primary school i had to sing hymns (sp) before school started. if you didn't sing then you'd be singled out and told off by the teachers in front of everybody. I wasn't religeos and so where my friends.
also how come nobody could say hallaluyah! (really bad s/p) i mean everyone singing always missed off the first H entirly and said the y as a J!.
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Some of you from other places besides the U.S. probably are wondering what the words are to our pledge. See below.
Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [ 06-27-2002, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]
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06-28-2002, 12:30 AM | #27 |
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I think if the crafters of the constitution wanted goverment institutions to promote religion, specificly by the acts of creating and interpreting leglislation, that they would have mentioned religion more than once in the bill of rights.
[URL=http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/charters_of_freedom/bill_of_rights/preamble.html]http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/charters_of_freedom/bill_of_rights/preamble.html[/UR L] Here is a link the constitution in its entirty. It seemed so much longer when I had to memorize it in grade school. No religion is established by law, aka goverment and Religion is way more diverse than the word God. Considering religion is free to the people, the opportunity for religion in private schools is still available. It became potentially even more available just today with the validation of vouchers by the supreme court.The voucher system makes goverment money available to private schools, even if they are religon based. Alas, Today the court that made this decision put their ruling "on hold". My president and leglislation nearly messed themselves with rhetoric. I think its mostly a clever ploy to gain "religous right" votes preceding an crucial election year that could shift the balance of power in the 2 party system. Perhaps the people who want to include god in their pledge can do so if they want, but the non-religous original version should be the one that is read by the school leader. Its only fair to all the other religions/philosophies that dont include God in thier viewpoint and people like me who would prefer to let thier children decide about religion without it being a ritualized aspect of being patriotic. Being patriotic has NOTHING to do with religion. Hence the first amendment of the costitution. Religion is above and beyond public goverment endorsment. Thats what those three words added to the Pledge amount too. I expect this ruling to be upheld in the end, considering thats the legal precedent set concerning the 10 commandments in the courtroom and the sheer logic of this interpretation of the constitution. [ 06-28-2002, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]
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The 1st amendment says "Congress shall make no law establishing religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" not the gov't. or the President and because it's the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law that is being argued in this case, it might not be upheld. (asmueing "under God" was added by excutive order as has been stated)
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