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01-06-2003, 01:02 PM | #22 |
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Wrong on PETA. AFAIK, PETA does not use violence as protest - it simply exercises its 1st Amendment right to voice its opinion on those who:
1. consume dead carcasses of once-living beings, 2. wear skin, or 3. subjigate other living creatures to absolutely useless testing of 20-yr-old well-known products in the name of consumer safety (but in reality so the fat cat pharmaceutical and hygeine companies can get still yet more government research and testing money while they act as if the poor are actually the drain on our taxes). Not that I'm a PETA-freak or nothing - just pointing out they're not the same. |
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Second your point about pollution is well taken, since they obviously are not very fuel efficient. However, why dont the "green peace" type groups invest their money into alternative fuel source research that would be a viable alternative? Waiting for the government to "do it for them" is a waste of their resources and energies. Quote:
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1.) Is it the job of the American government to "do anything" about it, other than gentle prodding? 2.) The people taking matters into their own hands in this method are criminal. In likeness to spiking trees in an area known to be logged, with the intention of killing or maiming the lumberjack. That, IMO, is nothing short of terrorism. If ends justifies the means in this instance, than I am sure no one would have a problem with a culprit being executed for this crime? 3.) While there are people starving in Africa..... First, starvation in Africa is almost always caused by the governmental systems vying for control of "xyz" country and has absolutely nothing to do with a person owning a SUV. In many cases plenty of food is available, only, its not distributed or distributed properly. In fact starvation is a highly used weapon in the battles for control of a given country. Second, "genetically modified" cereal grains were offered by the USA to several countires starving presently, and was rejected as if we were giving spoonfulls of rat poison. It makes me wonder, do they want to alleviate the problem or propetuate the problem so as to "have an issue"? |
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Second your point about pollution is well taken, since they obviously are not very fuel efficient. However, why dont the "green peace" type groups invest their money into alternative fuel source research that would be a viable alternative? Waiting for the government to "do it for them" is a waste of their resources and energies. Quote:
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1.) Is it the job of the American government to "do anything" about it, other than gentle prodding? 2.) The people taking matters into their own hands in this method are criminal. In likeness to spiking trees in an area known to be logged, with the intention of killing or maiming the lumberjack. That, IMO, is nothing short of terrorism. If ends justifies the means in this instance, than I am sure no one would have a problem with a culprit being executed for this crime? 3.) While there are people starving in Africa..... First, starvation in Africa is almost always caused by the governmental systems vying for control of "xyz" country and has absolutely nothing to do with a person owning a SUV. In many cases plenty of food is available, only, its not distributed or distributed properly. In fact starvation is a highly used weapon in the battles for control of a given country. Second, "genetically modified" cereal grains were offered by the USA to several countires starving presently, and was rejected as if we were giving spoonfulls of rat poison. It makes me wonder, do they want to alleviate the problem or propetuate the problem so as to "have an issue"?[/QUOTE]Good to see you here Elric. Welcome, welcome. [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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01-06-2003, 01:36 PM | #28 |
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WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME!!! It's good to see you here, my friend! Come on in and...oh I see you have already made yourself at home! TEEHEE....good job!HEY everybody, say howdy to Elric and CONGRATS to him too....he's a new daddy!!!! [img]graemlins/kissy2.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/balloons.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1partyguy.gif[/img] Cloudbringer Official Welcome Wagon of the Ironworks Forums
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01-06-2003, 01:45 PM | #29 |
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Okay guys, for the past 20 years several different methods of using alternative fuels have been developed. Many are now efficient enough to be viable economically - as evidenced by the recent swell in popularity of hybrid vehicles.
But, groups like GreenPeace realize the hurdle now is not *having* the technology but undertaking grass roots campaigns and slinging a bit of mud at the big companies so we can convince the people, the corps, and the government to have the *will* to implement the technology. This will take a lot of work, and will only likely happen slowly over time. Purely electric cars are not an alternative at this point not because the cars aren't technologically sufficient, but rather because there are no recharge stations and one can only carry so many batteries. That's why hybrids have fared better in the market. |
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Elric Hello! Welcome to the board and congradulations on being a new daddy. As a Daddy to three, one of which is 4 months old, I can tell you there is not greater thing in the world than having kids (they are instant fun)! Well, my dad might not agree with that. He says having grand kids is a whole lot better and if he'd have known how much fun grand kids were, he'd have skipped having kids and gone straight to having kids!
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