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Old 07-21-2003, 12:15 AM   #21
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If you need some non-gamers for a control group, let me know. I'm sure I could get some for you. Just e-mail me.

Oh... I took the test too.

Later!!!
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Old 07-21-2003, 08:48 AM   #22
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If you need some non-gamers for a control group, let me know. I'm sure I could get some for you. Just e-mail me.

Oh... I took the test too.

Later!!!
Thanks for the offer, but I managed to find the "Normalized T-Scores" in the documentation that comes with the survey. I don't exactly know what "Normalized T-Scores" are, but my wife said that they were good enough to provide control group data. I'm so lucky to have a Statistician in the house. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-21-2003, 08:58 AM   #23
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Done - hope this helps ya..

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Old 07-21-2003, 09:55 AM   #24
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Thank you all for all of the support.

My class requires me to study some important social issue.

I was looking up different surveys I could use and I found this one about imagination. I e-mailed the Yale Professor who holds the copyrights to the survey and he gave me permission to use the study in any way that would help my research.

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done... I'd like to see your compiled statistical data too once you're done if that's available... ESPECIALLY if you're getting data from a non-gaming control group (which I imagine you must be... otherwise these results would be of little value).
Good point Thoran.

My wife who is pursuing a Master's Degree in Statistics made the same point. I'm hoping that the test has already been normed against a control group, but otherwise I'll be looking for non-gamers to take the survey too.

Know any non-gamers who'd be interested in taking the survey?
[/QUOTE]Well I'm sure there's volumes on how to get a decent control for statistical studies... but in this case I'd suggest mailing surveys to random households in a region covering roughly the same area as the respondents. If you solicit online for a control, you'll be skewing your control group based on the fact that they're online... to obtain a truly population representational sample you need to go snail mail. Even then you'll have to discuss in your results the several problems inherent in gathering data by these methods and any techniques employed to mitigate those issues.

MS in Statistics... YUK! [img]smile.gif[/img] , I hated those classes more than spinach. I'd rather take Fluid Dynamics, Quantum Physics, and EM Fields and Waves all in the same semester than take one more statistics class. I'm working on my MS in Engineering Management, so thankfully statistics is an avoidable area of study.
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Old 07-21-2003, 10:36 AM   #25
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Just took it for you! Hope it helps! I'd love to see the final results for the whole research project as well. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Good luck!
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Old 07-21-2003, 03:12 PM   #26
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Ah, i remember about a year or two ago when i was soliciting people to help me with my postgraduate research. In the cintinued spirit of i-would-have-been-screwed-if-nobody-had-helped-me-so-i-will-help-you-to-repay-my-karmic-debt, i have taken the test

I would appreciate knowing my results, and the general results too, of course. Mainly just to see how consistent the answers I gave actually turned out to be [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-21-2003, 04:51 PM   #27
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Test taken. I put my e-mail in the survey. Good to see you around Father Bronze
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Old 07-21-2003, 05:57 PM   #28
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Well I'm sure there's volumes on how to get a decent control for statistical studies... but in this case I'd suggest mailing surveys to random households in a region covering roughly the same area as the respondents. If you solicit online for a control, you'll be skewing your control group based on the fact that they're online... to obtain a truly population representational sample you need to go snail mail. Even then you'll have to discuss in your results the several problems inherent in gathering data by these methods and any techniques employed to mitigate those issues.

Consider though that his experimental group are online - their results may be different to gamers who are not online. It might be more appropriate to have a comparison group that is online - either both are online, or neither. You have to make sure in a study like this that your control group and experimental group are equal in every way except the manipulation, in this case whether they're gamers or not. Otherwise your results are open to confounding from other variables - that is, you can't draw any conclusions because effects might be due to other variables not the one you have manipulated. There may be something about being online that affects your daydreaming that not being online does not. A good idea if you had the time would be to get a group of gamers offline and a group of non-gamers offline (or use the control data) and compare to see if there are substantial differences between your online and offline samples. If there are, then your results for the online sample aren't generalisable to the population.

I agree though that you'll need to consider what getting data online like you have means for your results. While it's unlikely that people would lie about their age and so on simply because they're online, it is a fundamentally different way of finding participants than, for instance, stopping people in shopping centres where you can see them. It's also important to whether your sample is representative of the population. If they are random and aren't systematically different from the population, then results from them are generalisable. If being online means they will be systematically different from non-online people, then you can only say your results are valid for people who are online.

Your normalised t-scores would simply the scores of a random sample from the population that the test was normed on, that is, tested on to see what the 'average' responses were and what the normal population of scores is. In the population, there will be people who score high and score low, with most people scoring around the average. The idea of your study then, is to see whether the mean for gamers is significantly higher or lower than the mean for the population.
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Old 07-21-2003, 07:23 PM   #29
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I spared you the vote FB Good to see you and you shouldn't worry so much about other people's views...
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Old 07-21-2003, 08:28 PM   #30
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I filled it out, but I don't see what playing video games has to do wiht my daydreaming...

*starts day dreaming about flying over a city and blowing up all those who challange him with his super technological powers*
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