Another terrorist caught

[johnny]

Originally posted by The Hierophant: Quote: Originally posted by WillowIX: the 'war on terrorism' will likely never eliminate terrorists. For everyone caught there will be new ones. (Dang! I´m agreeing with Timber. Arrgh! [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

If you really don't like someone, but they're too big for you to take on face to face, and you're not charming enough to turn others against them, what do you do? You shoot them in the back, that's what! Terrorism is the poor man's total war.[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with poor men, on the contrary. These guys have a kazillion sponsors to back them up. They are everything exept poor. They are very rich and very disturbed ideologists.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by johnny: Quote: Originally posted by The Hierophant: Quote: Originally posted by WillowIX: the 'war on terrorism' will likely never eliminate terrorists. For everyone caught there will be new ones. (Dang! I´m agreeing with Timber. Arrgh! [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

If you really don't like someone, but they're too big for you to take on face to face, and you're not charming enough to turn others against them, what do you do? You shoot them in the back, that's what! Terrorism is the poor man's total war.[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with poor men, on the contrary. These guys have a kazillion sponsors to back them up. They are everything exept poor. They are very rich and very disturbed ideologists.[/QUOTE]You got that right johnny, these head guys are not the willing to die for their cause type! They're the willing to send others to die for their cause type! I was listening to the talking heads (reporters) say we won't be able to get Khalid whatshisname to talk, because we can't get the 9-11 terrorist to talk that we caught here in the USA. I'm saying to my self "well da he was willing to die on one of the planes what are you going to do to make him talk?" Now this puke they caught yesterday he was willing to send others to die for him, so he'll sing like a bird.

[Ronn_Bman]

It's good to see articles like this. Too bad they are quickly forgotten. I'm sure that today on one of the news shows I watch someone will say that the US has forgotten the War On Terror in favor of the war against Iraq despite this, the biggest arrest, capture, or death of a 9/11 conspirator so far.

[Azred]

The real problem here is that Islam itself is in a state of crisis. There are three main branches of Islam: Sunni (with two sub-branches), Shia (with five sub-branches), and Sufi. Just like Europe during the Protestant Reformation and the subsequent Counter-Reformation, Islam is trying to find itself; the side effect of this is that the entire Arablic world is in a state of turmoil. Despite the fact that many in the various branches think the other branches are "wrong", the initial reaction of any Muslim is to avoid attacking another Muslim (even though many "hard-core" Muslims would consider any moderate Muslim to have become corrupted by the West). This means that the violence spreads out to the rest of the world. Of course, the last couple of centuries of "interference and intervention" by the West doesn't help matters much; the Arab world still has a lot of Old World thinking, and old perceived wrongs are not easily forgotten. Unfortunately, Islam probably won't come into equilibrium for another 200 years....

Another unfortunate point: by now terrorism has moved away from any true basis in religion and relies on "religionspeak" to cloak its actions under a form of righteousness; it is, in fact, terrorism for terrorism's sake. People like bin Laden have neither a religious nor a political agenda; he just wants to cause trouble.
It is more incumbent upon Muslims to stop "Islamic" terrorists, because if any terrorist like Osama bin Laden is not stopped by Muslims, then he will become a martyr for future generations.

[quietman1920]

People, I'm all for punishing terrorists when we catch them, but are we sure we have the right guy? Have you seen the picture of this turkey? I think we might have the wrong guy.

While I'll chalk up how I know this to 'Fraternity Hi-jinks', I'm pretty sure the picture of the man in handcuffs is forgotten porn star Ron Jeremy.

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[Barry the Sprout]

Originally posted by Brennihelvete: The Israeli sure knows to handle terrorism as they have been dealing with it for the past 50 years.

Yep, they sure know how to handle Terrorism - if you want to go to a country without a terrorism problem then go to Isreal. Its the safest place in the world to be if you don't want to get killed by a terrorist as they have the best policies for making terrorism stop. Its as simple as that - their policy is obviously most effective, after all... when was the last time you heard of a terrorist attack in Isreal? I think that proves just how effective they are...

[johnny]

Originally posted by Barry the Sprout: Quote: Originally posted by Brennihelvete: The Israeli sure knows to handle terrorism as they have been dealing with it for the past 50 years.

Yep, they sure know how to handle Terrorism - if you want to go to a country without a terrorism problem then go to Isreal. Its the safest place in the world to be if you don't want to get killed by a terrorist as they have the best policies for making terrorism stop. Its as simple as that - their policy is obviously most effective, after all... when was the last time you heard of a terrorist attack in Isreal? I think that proves just how effective they are...[/QUOTE]That's not what he meant Barry, at least i don't think so. The Israeli's are unmatched in tracking down terrorists all over the globe. I'm not talking about lunatics who blow themselves up, noone can stop that. It's about the leaders, the big boys who stay out of sight.

They track em down in Europe, Africa, the middle east, anywhere...
Then they send a "special team" and dispose of him. That's their way of dealing with terrorists. What else do you expect them to do ? Wait until they blow up Tel Aviv ?

[Timber Loftis]

[quote]Originally posted by johnny:

The Israeli's are unmatched in tracking down terrorists all over the globe. I'm not talking about lunatics who blow themselves up, noone can stop that. It's about the leaders, the big boys who stay out of sight. They track em down in Europe, Africa, the middle east, anywhere... Then they send a "special team" and dispose of him. That's their way of dealing with terrorists. What else do you expect them to do ? Wait until they blow up Tel Aviv ?

Since the Israelis dealt with Idi Amin, I've had the most profound respect for their anti-terrorism efforts. Israel sits smack-dab in the middle of terrorist nut-job central. It's not like they are going to avoid terrorist attacks - no matter what they do. So, when dealing with terrorists they have taken the hard-line stance.

Terrorist group takes 50 hostages and holes up in some building? What to do? Well, Mossad gets inside in the middle of the night and takes out a dozen terrorists on-sight. A few lost hostages is, in their view and I do agree, an acceptable loss. You cannot take anything other than a non-negotiate hard-line stance with terrorists.

Edit: Just found this great article, located here called "The Use of Force in International Law" and it contains this text:

A controversial use of the justification of self-defence was in the Entebe Incident. Here, Israeli commandos rescued their nationals from a flight that had been hijacked by Arab terrorists and landed in Uganda, where the authorities had made little attempt to rescue them, and indeed may have helped the terrorists. Although no resolution was adopted at the end of the Security Council debate, there was a great deal of useful analysis. The Israelis, naturally, claimed that the inherent right to self-defence extended to a right to defend their nationals abroad, suspending the sovereignty of the local state if need be. Although the Israeli action was not widely condemned and may, indeed, be said to be accepted, there is still doubt over whether the rules stretch this far. For instance, Brownlie states that “it is very doubtful if the present form of intervention has any basis in the modern law...it provides infinite opportunities for abuse”. Whichever view one takes, once again, it is clear that the rules are not as clear in this respect as the title of this essay would suggest. [footnotes omitted]

[ 03-03-2003, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[Sir Taliesin]

Originally posted by Barry the Sprout: Quote: Originally posted by Brennihelvete: The Israeli sure knows to handle terrorism as they have been dealing with it for the past 50 years.

Yep, they sure know how to handle Terrorism - if you want to go to a country without a terrorism problem then go to Isreal. Its the safest place in the world to be if you don't want to get killed by a terrorist as they have the best policies for making terrorism stop. Its as simple as that - their policy is obviously most effective, after all... when was the last time you heard of a terrorist attack in Isreal? I think that proves just how effective they are...[/QUOTE]Actually, now that I think about it, it's been a while since there was a sucide attack in Israel. Maybe the Isaelis have a handle on the situation!

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by The Hierophant: Quote: Originally posted by WillowIX: the 'war on terrorism' will likely never eliminate terrorists. For everyone caught there will be new ones. (Dang! I´m agreeing with Timber. Arrgh! [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

If you really don't like someone, but they're too big for you to take on face to face, and you're not charming enough to turn others against them, what do you do? You shoot them in the back, that's what! Terrorism is the poor man's total war.[/QUOTE]I'm still trying to figure out if Willow is going to shoot me in the back. [img]graemlins/awcrap.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/kidding.gif[/img]
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