Views on death penalty

[Gab]

Loftis, what does Kill Bill have to do with this topic? Agree or not, I see the death penalty as more of a revenge thing rather than justice. I think your "a life pays for a life" theory is BS. Once a person is dead, they're gone forever and never coming back. Nothing can be pay for a life. Killing the criminal isn't going to bring the person back.

Having the criminal rot in prison for the rest of his life is justice and punishment. The death penalty is not.

Oblivion, you've totally exaggerated the issue.

[Yorick]

For what it's worth Gab, I completely agree with you.

[Djinn Raffo]

Kill Bill 2 is a great movie, damn it was fun to see.

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by Gab: Having the criminal rot in prison for the rest of his life is justice and punishment. The death penalty is not.

Having said that, you must kow what justice is. Excellent! I need to be instructed. please, in all seriousness, tell me what justice is. Please don't give me examples of it, tell me what justice, in it's very essence, is.

[Timber Loftis]

Loftis, what does Kill Bill have to do with this topic?

To point out that revenge is seen by many as an acceptable reason to punish -- whatever the mode of punishment.

Agree or not, I see the death penalty as more of a revenge thing rather than justice. I think your "a life pays for a life" theory is BS.

Well, as you know, I disagree. I think if the price of an action is known, one has no reason to complain when asked to pay the bill. I've walked you through my reasoning before, so at this point we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[ 04-21-2004, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Stratos: Maybe he doesn't like the Eurovision Song Contest...

Mwahahahahahaha!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Donut, you lizard brain, don't you know that expatriate Irishmen have a hereditary hatred-gene?
And don't try to deny the ingrained and wide-spread European depravity. Don't deny that we are lewd and immoral and that we -now who told me this?- sodomise donkeys on street corners! Maybe you need to get out more.

[ 04-21-2004, 05:17 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

[Donut]

Originally posted by Melusine: Mwahahahahahaha!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] Donut, you lizard brain, don't you know that expatriate Irishmen have a hereditary hatred-gene? And don't try to deny the ingrained and wide-spread European depravity. Don't deny that we are lewd and immoral and that we -now who told me this?- sodomise donkeys on street corners! Maybe you need to get out more.

Lizard brain to primate brain - what is that strange noise?
Primate brain to Lizard brain - Melusine has caused us to move into chuckle mode!

[ 04-21-2004, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

[Donut]

Originally posted by Oblivion437: And Donut, I'd count Irish immigrants as 'real' Irishmen. Maybe you won't, but I will.

American Irish are more Irish than the real Irish.

I do have several advantages over you on this. Firstly I've been to New York and mixed with the Irish community there. Secondly I've met countless Irish in London. Thirdly I've visited Ireland on dozens of occasions. Fourthly my Mother was Irish. Fifthly my paternal great Grandfather was Irish. Sixthly my sister is Irish. Seventhly I have two nephews and two nieces who are Irish. Eighthly I have had in the past over ninety Irish first cousins.

I base my opinions on my experiences, not on vague ideas.

[Skunk]

Originally posted by Gab: Loftis, what does Kill Bill have to do with this topic? Agree or not, I see the death penalty as more of a revenge thing rather than justice. I think your "a life pays for a life" theory is BS. Once a person is dead, they're gone forever and never coming back. Nothing can be pay for a life. Killing the criminal isn't going to bring the person back. Having the criminal rot in prison for the rest of his life is justice and punishment. The death penalty is not. Oblivion, you've totally exaggerated the issue.

With all due respect Gab, leaving someone to rot in prison until the end of their life amounts to the same thing as the death penalty. No, it's even worse - a never ending torture that lasts for years upon years until a natural or violent death becomes the only release. And you can never give back those years of incarceration either.

I am against the death penalty only on two grounds:
1. That the judgement to convict someone can almost never be claimed to be 100% accurate and that therefore there is no chance of reccompense where miscarriages of justice occur. Of course, someone who has already served ten years for a crime that they did not commit can not be given back those ten years - but he can at least be given generous financial compensation and allowed to live out the rest of his life - an option not open in the death penalty.
2. For some people, death is really too humane. If Marc Dutroux is convicted (as I expect him to be) of the brutal crimes of repeated rape, torture and imprisonment of so many children, then frankly, I don't want him to have the quick release of death. I want him to sit in prison, always in solitary - afraid of what the other prisoners will do to him if they get hold of him - I want him to SUFFER the consequences of his actions until his life ends.
As far as I am concerned, a life sentence is a far more malicious sentence than the death penalty.

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Donut: American Irish are more Irish than the real Irish. I do have several advantages over you on this. Firstly I've been to New York and mixed with the Irish community there. Secondly I've met countless Irish in London. Thirdly I've visited Ireland on dozens of occasions. Fourthly my Mother was Irish. Fifthly my paternal great Grandfather was Irish. Sixthly my sister is Irish. Seventhly I have two nephews and two nieces who are Irish. Eighthly I have had in the past over ninety Irish first cousins. I base my opinions on my experiences, not on vague ideas.

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Skunk, your second argument is one I've mentioned often but which usually gets ignored. Good post, both arguments I mean.

[ 04-21-2004, 06:40 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]