Do you know somebody who died from drugs

[Albromor]

Did I mention anything about pot used as a possible medicinal use and how wrong it is to do so? No, not at all. If you read my post again it was directed at those who think that pot is harmless (and, no, I wasn't aiming at anyone here)and therefore recreational. It's NOT harmless. Go and read the latest brain research and effects of Pot on the brain. By the way, how harmless can pot be if this foreign substance stays in your system for 30 days plus? Cocaine remains only 72 hours and we know the effects it has on the brain! And I agree, johnny, alcohol is as unhealthy as you can get. It is the most abused drug there is. I'll let the facts speak for themselves. They are out there and scientifically documented.

[Brennihelvete]

Originally posted by Albromor: Did I mention anything about pot used as a possible medicinal use and how wrong it is to do so? No, not at all. If you read my post again it was directed at those who think that pot is harmless (and, no, I wasn't aiming at anyone here)and therefore recreational. It's NOT harmless. Go and read the latest brain research and effects of Pot on the brain. By the way, how harmless can pot be if this foreign substance stays in your system for 30 days plus? Cocaine remains only 72 hours and we know the effects it has on the brain! And I agree, johnny, alcohol is as unhealthy as you can get. It is the most abused drug there is. I'll let the facts speak for themselves. They are out there and scientifically documented.

The latest documentation I found on pot says that theres found no evidence of pot causing permanent damage to you either physical or psychic. However some people can develop anxiety. Thats what I found though. Its actually more dangerous to smoke a cigarette than it is to smoke a cigarette or drink alcohol. Cannabis will anaesthetize your brain cells, and they will awake in time. Alcohol will kill them.
Now cannabis is almost harmless but people belive that people who smoke cannabis will start on heavier drugs to get as "high" as possible. I guess theres a truth in that statement, its like an introduction to the heavy drugs.

[Olli Kalma]

I'm anti-drug person.

I knew one person who took too much medicine ( morphin ) and died.
I voted that my country's drug politic shoud be tougher, 'cause
every dealer get so low judgement in court of law.

If you sell drugs to teenagers, you can avoid prison!
Or get just 2-5 years! That's too low price for ruining youngster's life!
( Of course you don't have to buy drugs if you don't want to, but I don't
like persons that sell them 'cause 12 year old don't usually know that drugs spoil their life... )

[johnny]

Originally posted by Olli Kalma: I'm anti-drug person. I knew one person who took too much medicine ( morphin ) and died. I voted that my country's drug politic shoud be tougher, 'cause every dealer get so low judgement in court of law. If you sell drugs to teenagers, you can avoid prison! Or get just 2-5 years! That's too low price for ruining youngster's life! ( Of course you don't have to buy drugs if you don't want to, but I don't like persons that sell them 'cause 12 year old don't usually know that drugs spoil their life... )

12 year olds in Finland have money to buy drugs ???

[Darkman]

Originally posted by Albromor: By the way, how harmless can pot be if this foreign substance stays in your system for 30 days plus? Cocaine remains only 72 hours and we know the effects it has on the brain!

Hi. I just wanted to point out the general fallacy of your logic here. The specific fact that traces of marijuana can be detected in urine tests for up to 30 days (and 30 days is only for very regular users with low metabolism) after use does not in any way prove that it is a dangerous substance. In case you didn't know, THC is the active ingredient of weed and it stores itself in the user's fat cells, which is why it takes the user's body longer to extract it from the body than other more dangerous drugs. By the way, traces of THC in the user's blood usually disappear after 20-36 hours depending on the amount and potency of the weed and the physical characteristics of the individual.

I'm not saying that marijauna is completely harmless, but the way you compared it to cocaine in your post is an example of what I think it wrong with the War on Drugs. Misinformation and misrepresentation of information is a bad thing. If kids (and adults too!) believe that politicians, law enforcement, and school teachers have been exaggerating about the dangers of marijuana, then they might easily assume the same thing about other drugs that are actually very dangerous (like crack, heroine, etc.). So these people might go out and try these real drugs since they've already done pot and found that it's not so bad. That's not a good scenario at all. And if marijuana really is a "gateway drug", then I think this is one of the biggest reasons for it being so

[Sir Goulum]

One of my friends mom's died because of drugs recently...

[9_1_6]

A guy that i knew died of chroming last year.. i dont know if that is considered a drug, but it gets you high, so...

[Albromor]

I normally take my own advice and NEVER get into these debates because I usually find the ability to communicate in this realm basically usless. Too much is read into what people write OR it is misinterpreted. Twice now people have read what I wrote and have come to conclusions that I am still scratching my head over how they got what they got. Anyway, since I stepped in it by not taking my own advice I will say the following and then stop here. What I have given is NOT misinformation. Much of what I related IS the latest findings, i.e., University of Pennsylvania, etc. Also, I have worked with abusers/addicts face to face, one on one and in group. They can tell you better than I can the illusions of use, but since this impossible I'll leave it at that.

[Memnoch]

Originally posted by johnny: Then it wasn't real XTC, real XTC doesn't kill people, it's originally a "lovedrug". It's for stimulating your..... you know. What you're talking about is probably some mix with a lot of amfetamine in it. Or worse, i read a story the other day there were "XTC" pills circulating which contained stuff they use to tranquilize elephants in the zoo. One pill of that, and you'll never wake up again. An 18 year old died after having only half a pill. They should execute dealers with that crap right on the spot.

What's getting common in Sydney now is e with a high percentage of ketamine in it (Special K, which is a horse tranquillizer). The K makes people spin out and start hallucinating, which makes them *think* they're having an e, but too much of this is very dangerous as it can make people go into an involuntary coma (it's a very powerful sedative). Or you might get traces of methamphetamine (ice) which is extremely addictive and can wreak havoc with your nervous system. I've been there, done all that, glad I'm not in that scene anymore with the shit that's going around these days click here for more details).

Nobody can tell you that drugs are good or bad - you need to work that out for yourself based on the information you have. If you have no information and decide to do it anyway without knowing what it will do to you then you're pretty bloody stupid. In summary, be EDUCATED and be careful.

[ 02-28-2003, 05:19 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]

[Memnoch]

Originally posted by Darkman: Quote: Originally posted by Albromor: By the way, how harmless can pot be if this foreign substance stays in your system for 30 days plus? Cocaine remains only 72 hours and we know the effects it has on the brain!

Hi. I just wanted to point out the general fallacy of your logic here. The specific fact that traces of marijuana can be detected in urine tests for up to 30 days (and 30 days is only for very regular users with low metabolism) after use does not in any way prove that it is a dangerous substance. In case you didn't know, THC is the active ingredient of weed and it stores itself in the user's fat cells, which is why it takes the user's body longer to extract it from the body than other more dangerous drugs. By the way, traces of THC in the user's blood usually disappear after 20-36 hours depending on the amount and potency of the weed and the physical characteristics of the individual.

I'm not saying that marijauna is completely harmless, but the way you compared it to cocaine in your post is an example of what I think it wrong with the War on Drugs. Misinformation and misrepresentation of information is a bad thing. If kids (and adults too!) believe that politicians, law enforcement, and school teachers have been exaggerating about the dangers of marijuana, then they might easily assume the same thing about other drugs that are actually very dangerous (like crack, heroine, etc.). So these people might go out and try these real drugs since they've already done pot and found that it's not so bad. That's not a good scenario at all. And if marijuana really is a "gateway drug", then I think this is one of the biggest reasons for it being so [/QUOTE]To simpify darkman's complicated explanation pot is fat-soluble, which means that it can't be easily "flushed" from the system - it takes time to dilute it. E, coke, and everything else is water-soluble, which means that if you drink plenty of fluids it will be flushed from your system within 48-72 hours. How long it stays in your system is not necessarily an indicator of how dangerous it is. [img]smile.gif[/img]