Was Ali over-rated? - Page 2

Sir Degrader · 03-11-2005, 09:19 PM

They have Dempsey versus Marciano. THAT would have been a bloodbath.

Kakero · 03-11-2005, 11:18 PM

Not sure if he is the greatest. But he sure has lots of attention. He won matches ( duh ), he even threw away a olympic gold medal into a river ( forgot the reason ) . He also refuse to serve his country during Vietnam War for religious reasons.

Marathon · 03-12-2005, 12:35 AM

Boxing is all about contrasting styles, and being able to adjust. Ali was perhaps the greatest heavyweight of all time, and certainly faced the best overall competition. Joe Louis and Marciano had nowhere near the same level of competition. Mariciano, great as he was, fought the likes of Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott in absolutley brutal battles. He won, but took major punishment from guys with nowhere near the amount of speed and mobility as Ali. I think Louis comes the closest, and I actually wrote a term paper years back trying to prove he was the greatest heavyweight. I kept the theme, but became convinced Ali was better in the end. Dempsey was good for a short time, and as popular in his time (or more so) than Ali, but I'm afraid if Tunney could pummel him Ali would have a much easier time. What's really incredible to me is watching Ali beat Foreman, then watching Foreman vs. Frazier. Classic big puncher vs. smaller puncher. I swear Foreman put Frazier practically vertical in the air a couple of times en route to knocking him down 6 times in one fight, yet Ali took the punishment. I don't care if he used the rope-a-dope to absorb some of the blows - it's still impressive.

Greatest fighter? Probably not Ali, but heavyweights are the most popular. Sugar Ray Robinson in his prime was better, and moved up several weight classes. I'd put him higher pound for pound. Same with Hammering Hank Armstrong, who held 3 titles concurrently. This was in the days with only 8 classes unlike today (with classes like super middleweight that were in essence created to give Sugar Ray Leonard his fifth weight class title) and only 1 title per class. Imagine someone today being the unified Featherweight, lightweight and welterweight champ at the same time. Impossible. I'd have to put others up there as well, but it's all subjective. Too bad boxing is in such a sad state today. Best sport in the world IMO.

[ 03-12-2005, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: Marathon ]

Sigmar · 03-12-2005, 05:25 AM

Ali made boxing great.

Ali was a fantastic boxer.

He is an amazing individual.

There is no way this man could be over-rated in anyway.

Sir Degrader · 03-12-2005, 11:26 AM

Tyson versus Johnson (1900's). This would have been interesting to say the least.

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03-11-2005, 09:19 PM	#11
Sir Degrader Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: November 3, 2001 Location: Canada Age: 64 Posts: 2,871	They have Dempsey versus Marciano. THAT would have been a bloodbath.

03-11-2005, 11:18 PM	#12
Kakero 40th Level Warrior Join Date: March 24, 2002 Posts: 10,215	Not sure if he is the greatest. But he sure has lots of attention. He won matches ( duh ), he even threw away a olympic gold medal into a river ( forgot the reason ) . He also refuse to serve his country during Vietnam War for religious reasons.

03-12-2005, 12:35 AM	#13
Marathon Elminster Join Date: December 10, 2003 Location: OP, KS Age: 51 Posts: 489	Boxing is all about contrasting styles, and being able to adjust. Ali was perhaps the greatest heavyweight of all time, and certainly faced the best overall competition. Joe Louis and Marciano had nowhere near the same level of competition. Mariciano, great as he was, fought the likes of Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott in absolutley brutal battles. He won, but took major punishment from guys with nowhere near the amount of speed and mobility as Ali. I think Louis comes the closest, and I actually wrote a term paper years back trying to prove he was the greatest heavyweight. I kept the theme, but became convinced Ali was better in the end. Dempsey was good for a short time, and as popular in his time (or more so) than Ali, but I'm afraid if Tunney could pummel him Ali would have a much easier time. What's really incredible to me is watching Ali beat Foreman, then watching Foreman vs. Frazier. Classic big puncher vs. smaller puncher. I swear Foreman put Frazier practically vertical in the air a couple of times en route to knocking him down 6 times in one fight, yet Ali took the punishment. I don't care if he used the rope-a-dope to absorb some of the blows - it's still impressive. Greatest fighter? Probably not Ali, but heavyweights are the most popular. Sugar Ray Robinson in his prime was better, and moved up several weight classes. I'd put him higher pound for pound. Same with Hammering Hank Armstrong, who held 3 titles concurrently. This was in the days with only 8 classes unlike today (with classes like super middleweight that were in essence created to give Sugar Ray Leonard his fifth weight class title) and only 1 title per class. Imagine someone today being the unified Featherweight, lightweight and welterweight champ at the same time. Impossible. I'd have to put others up there as well, but it's all subjective. Too bad boxing is in such a sad state today. Best sport in the world IMO. [ 03-12-2005, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: Marathon ]

03-12-2005, 05:25 AM	#14
Sigmar Unicorn Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: N/a Posts: 4,222	Ali made boxing great. Ali was a fantastic boxer. He is an amazing individual. There is no way this man could be over-rated in anyway.

03-12-2005, 11:26 AM	#15
Sir Degrader Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: November 3, 2001 Location: Canada Age: 64 Posts: 2,871	Tyson versus Johnson (1900's). This would have been interesting to say the least.

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