In a Pigs Eye....or maybe not.

[Arvon]

Originally posted by johnny: We didn't vote for anything dude. The EU was stuffed down our throats. I think IF they would have let us vote, there wouldn't be a EU as we speak. Edit: sorry, i quoted the wrong post. [/QB]

But you did vote it in...if you didn't vote directly, you voted for the Pols who did vote it in. And you've allowed them to stay in power.

[Arvon]

Africa is a whole different problem. Almost all, if not all, of those counrties that were former colonies are currently being run by thugs. These people are living very high on the hog. The people are starving. Untill the thugs are removed nothing will happen for the common people.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by MagiK: Quote: Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Straw men everywhere! Can I call you Eisen Loftis now?

[/QUOTE]Ouch! [img]graemlins/whipitgood.gif[/img] It was a straw man, though. It set up a comparrison that was not on point and was easy to beat up on.

I eat GMO too - but not when I have a choice.

Just so you know, the cross-contamination issues are very fair. Aventis and Garst Seed Company in N.C. made the GMO StarLink corn. This corn was GM-ed to produce the Cry9C chemical that is toxic to certain insects. But, Cry9C is an allergen to humans. The EPA approved very limited use, and only for animal feed. In 2000, the companies got EPA to increase cultivation allowance from 120,000 hectares to 2.5 million hectares. But, it places strict liits on how close it could be grown to other corn and made it be segregated from other corn and used only as feed corn.

Now, anyone who knows how corn is trucked about after it leaves the field, and stored and warehoused, knows the EPA was being not just naive but STUPID. Needless to say, this caused problems and contaminated corn all over the US. Perhaps you remember being in a Taco Hell in 2000/2001 and seeing a sign apologizing for the use of white corn tortilla because yellow corn was unavailable.

So, the other US growers sued Aventis and Garst for the contamination and the economic damage to the reputation of the product. And won. For further info, see: StarLing Corn Products Liablity Litigation, Kramer, et al. vl Aventis, et al., 212 F.Supp.2d 828 (N.D.Ill. 2002).

Want me to beat up on GMOs and defend Eurotwitism some more??

[johnny]

Originally posted by MagiK: Sorry to hear that Johnny, from the things I have heard some people say, the EU is just such a fantastic well beloved move that I just sort of thought everyone liked the idea...I was reading the wrong articles I guess.

Well, the most common reaction i heard from people here, is that they were afraid of losing their identity. Or that either the bigger countries like France or Germany would make all the decisions. Nothing of that is true of course, but the fact remains that countries who never really trusted eachother now have to cooperate and forget their rivalries. And considdering that we're only human, that's bound to go wrong sooner or later.
The first cracks in the EU walls are already there (Iraq), and now they are adding another bunch of countries to it, mostly former Sovjet states. There's no common goal, no common interrest, i have serious doubts the EU is going to last a long time.

[antryg]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Straw men everywhere! So, don't trust what they say about GMO food - as they are tantamount to lawyers and sock puppets for the US agri-business that grows and makes the shite.

Please tell me more about the direct correlation between lawyers and sock puppets. Does it have something to do with the spine? Is it an intelligence or mental capacity comparison? [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img]
I'm sorry TL. It was a good post but the joke was just to hard to resist.

I like Sock Puppets

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by MagiK: I like Sock Puppets

We know.

Sorry, Messrs. Muppets, just had to getcha back. [img]graemlins/whipitgood.gif[/img]

[Attalus]

This all reminds me of an interview with a Dallas Cowboys player, Nate Newton, who was notorious for gaining weight in the off-season, then having to go on crash diets to get it off. Some reprters voiced condern for his health, and he replied, "I'd rather be rich and just live to be 65, than poor and live to be 80."

[Ronn_Bman]

It still boggles my mind that the leader of a country would allow his people to starve rather than accept the US food. Weird that the standards are higher for food than they are for life.

I remember seeing footage of angry villagers demanding the food from the American workers who couldn't pass it out. They said they didn't care about the treated grain; too bad they don't get a vote.

Proof that not everything that causes people to hate America is America's fault! Can't you hear the villagers now? "Those Americans have all that food, but keep it locked away to rot despite our pleas to be fed. They are letting us die while they pretend to care."

[ 02-19-2003, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

Yes Ronn but it is for their own good.