The true background of Guantanemo detainees

[Nightwing]

It effects me because they are people and as a citizen I am responsible for the actions of my Gov. I am active and I do vote, right now that doesn't seem to be doing the job. It has no effect.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Lanesra: Sorry mate - I just assumed they were all muslims.

I guess one good chain-yanking isn't enough for you, so you have to do it again. Quit being such an obvious baiter, it doesn't make you look any cleverer.

Now, who wants to challenge the presumption that all those percentages and stats are accurate? Again, Me.

[Link]

Of course they're exaggerated. It would naive to believe otherwise.

[Lanesra]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: Originally posted by Lanesra: Sorry mate - I just assumed they were all muslims.

I guess one good chain-yanking isn't enough for you, so you have to do it again. Quit being such an obvious baiter, it doesn't make you look any cleverer.

Now, who wants to challenge the presumption that all those percentages and stats are accurate? Again, Me. [/QUOTE]The first one was a simple question. Who cares? The assumption was made that I didn't!

Why don't you answer Timber Loftis rather than attacking me (with the obligatory hackneyed rolleyes smiley)

Do you care? After all they are not American citizens. Do you care what is being done by your Government in your name? Do you care that prisoners can be held indefinitely without charge?

They are not outside the US legal system because of geography - they are where they are so that they can be kept outside of the US legal system.

Is it not a self evident truth that all men are created equal?

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Lanesra: Is it not a self evident truth that all men are created equal?

You know, I've never been convinced by this. Is it self evident?


Yup, I'm sure the figures are generous, although I wonder whether the massaging is enough to be material.

I wish it gave more specific detail, but we shouldn't forget the sources cited:

"according to the Pentagon, 95% of them were not captured by the Americans themselves"

and

"According to the US Department of Defense, only 8% of the prisoners at Guantanamo were al-Qaeda fighters, and only 5% of them were captured by the Americans themselves."

Presumably the Pentagon & DoD has a vested interest in making the figures look as favourable as possible, although I do wish it had links to press releases etc from the DoD so they could be independently corroborated.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Lanesra: Why don't you answer Timber Loftis rather than attacking me (with the obligatory hackneyed rolleyes smiley)

If you will scroll up and note, the first post after your "Who cares?" question is me saying "Me."

Is it not a self evident truth that all men are created equal?

No, it isn't, not at all. I wish it were. All men should be treated equally by the law, though, for the most part.

I wouldn't suggest you don't care, I think you do. I thought you posted the "Who cares?" post as sarcasm aimed at the U.S. attitude. That's why I said you were "chain-yanking."

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: Is it not a self evident truth that all men are created equal?

No, it isn't, not at all. I wish it were. All men should be treated equally by the law, though, for the most part.[/QB][/QUOTE]Would you care to expand on that if you have a minute? Are you saying that the law should treat some differently, or even that some people should be subject to extra-judicial rule? I'm quite curious [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 02-16-2006, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[Knightscape]

Originally posted by shamrock_uk: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4708946.stm It's nothing that prominent human rights groups haven't been telling us for the last few years, but at least we now have something more thorough and more likely to be considered seriously by those who usually give human rights organisations short shrift. I'd be interested to know if anyone else has heard stuff about these lawyers and their report. Uncomfortable reading at any rate, the whole article.

Do not detainees at Guantanemo go through extensive psychological profiling?

[shamrock_uk]

What do you mean exactly? Figuring out how crazy they really are?

I would be surprised personally, but would of course be open to contradiction if you had an article on it.

I've never heard any interviews with either detainees or American soldiers where they mention any form of profiling beyond the simple colour system for the level of danger, but its quite possible I guess.

[Knightscape]

By psychological profiling I mean figuring out if they are the type of person to do anything that is required to get what they want. Figuring out if they are lying or telling the truth or if they have extremist views. Trying to get as much information from a detainee as possible.

I seem to remember reports on the news where there was mention of CIA interviews of detainees in Afghanistan, although this was a few years ago, it seems to be a logical conclusion that they are still doing this.