Secret US Jails

[Sir Degrader]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: You need to learn to trust your government less.

No, if I can get to the top, I don't really give much of a damn what it takes for me to stay there. I know problems associated with my prior statement, but at least it keeps the populace in line.

[Timber Loftis]

Yes, I'm sure many torture-practicing government would very much agree. Saddam's populace was very well behaved, before we tried to free them.

Would you believe me if I told you it was possible to clamber to the "top" of the social/financial dungheap while still remaining cynical, still hating your government, and still yelling about it loudly and proudly every day?

[Zebodog]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Grrr, this pisses me off. Not that the jails exist, but that someone is willing to expose them. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inter...237589,00.html

Until you happen to be in one, even though you are completely innocent but your government feels that you are hiding information from them?

I fail to see how anybody in this day and age could be an advocate of torture? We might as well just revert right back to the middle ages, and take up witch hunting again.

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Seeing as how people aren't just picked off the streets, especially in America, I can't see the purpose of witholding a valuable method of information extraction./rant

I just wanted to point out that this isn't the case - to date the government has picked several thousand people off the streets of America, holding them for months at a time with no explanation why, eventually releasing some without any reason for their initial detention or any compensation.

During their long stay in prison their shops/businesses have failed, their family has been plunged into poverty and they are released back onto the streets with their life shattered.

I suggest you do a little digging into the 'rounding up' that occurred after 9/11. And if that doesn't convince you that you're not safe from this government then pick up a copy of the patriot act and have a read... And no, just because its called the patriot act doesn't mean that you must like it if you're patriotic [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 11-04-2005, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Zebodog: quote: Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Grrr, this pisses me off. Not that the jails exist, but that someone is willing to expose them. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inter...237589,00.html

Until you happen to be in one, even though you are completely innocent but your government feels that you are hiding information from them?

I fail to see how anybody in this day and age could be an advocate of torture? We might as well just revert right back to the middle ages, and take up witch hunting again. [/QUOTE]She_turned_me_into_a_newt._____I_got_better....(so rry_my_spacebar_isn't_working_going_to_get_a_new_o ne_today)

[Stratos]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: quote: Originally posted by Timber Loftis: You need to learn to trust your government less.

No, if I can get to the top, I don't really give much of a damn what it takes for me to stay there. I know problems associated with my prior statement, but at least it keeps the populace in line. [/QUOTE]Being a top government official never helped those that were sent to Gulag by Stalin, or those arrested by Saddam, during "clean-ups".

[Sir Degrader]

No, but what are the chances of a soviet style government popping up in Canada anytime soon?

[Stratos]

These things can sneak up on you if you're not careful.

[Sir Degrader]

As I recall, the rise of the Soviet Union came by a revolution, followed by a civil war. Not exactly sneaking up.

[Stratos]

Oppressive governments doesn't have to come about by a revolution. Remember, Hitler was voted into office.