Al-Jazeera bars all reports from Baghdad

[Mordenheim]

Originally posted by Sir Taliesin: Quote: Originally posted by pritchke: First two paragraphs say the Pentegon admitted to bombing a bazar. I would like some more info myself. http://www.macleans.ca/xta-doc2/2003...er/57743.shtml I can't find the one for the 3 that fell harmlessly in Turkey.

Uhhh... I didn't get that from the first two paragraphs. I got that the Pentagon denied responsiblity. Here's the quote from the second paragraph:

"The former, insist officials at the Pentagon, who, after waffling for a time, finally declined to accept responsibility for bombing."

You might want to go back and re-read that article. Personally, I found it difficult to follow, especially with all the vitrole. [/QUOTE]Same

Still waiting for that evidence?

[Luvian]

No media in impartial. No one is impartial, it's impossible. We all have our beliefs and opinions. Some people are more open minded and respectful toward other people's opinion, but we all have our own side.

The question is not if a journalist is impartial or not, but if he has any integrity.

[skywalker]

Originally posted by Mordenheim: Did they? Amazing I must have missed it. I remember them saying the oppisite. Got link? Not that I do not believe you but I would like to read it myself. Regardless, to call them impartial show's exactly how some of you think

On 3/22/03 on NBC news I saw a video with 3 Iraqi prisoners being held, 1 was sitting crosslegged with a blanket over his head, 1 was laying sideways covered with a blanket, and the 3rd was also sitting. The reporter picked up and showed that they were given rations. I guess to show how well they are being treated. The 1st POW looked really angry.

I never was able to find any reference to this video again, don't know why. My wife saw it too. This in no way means I think the showing of Allied Prisoners Of War is OK. I have no link.

Mark

[EDIT] Typos.

[ 04-03-2003, 05:52 AM: Message edited by: skywalker ]

[Skunk]

Showing dead children full blown when they can not even prove our bomb killed them. Showing dead and captured pow's when they know full and well it is against the geneva convention. Not even going to touch their heavy pro Arab (anti-american) slant. Impartial?

Contrary to what you might have heard, Al Jazeera has never stated that the US was responsible for the bombing - it only stated that that the market was destroyed in the middle of a US air campaign (which was true) and that both sides denied responsibility.

Al Jazeera went ahead with the screening of the footage of the dead children because it believes that war should not be sanitised. Western media is keen to show things being blown up - they tend not to like to show the aftermath. Why not? If you don't show the consequences, you only tell half the story.

Al Jazeera has shown dead Iraqi soldiers and dead US/UK soldiers
Al Jazeera has shown US/UK POW's and Iraqi POW's.
Al Jazeera has shown the destruction of the cities and it has reported the people greeting the US soldiers as friends.

Finally, FOX, CNN and the BBC have shown pictures of dead Iraqi troops, and captured POW's - I take it that you are equally outraged by their actions too?
And finally, regarding the market bombing, why have so few US journals picked up this story, when most of the international media have?:


The proof- marketplace deaths were caused by a US missile

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Skunk: It makes it very hard to say that they've been anything other than impartial in their coverage, eh?

No it doesn't. Not at all. It just makes it obvious that these reporters revealed details the Iraqi government didn't appreciate, or they made someone angry, or both.

Impartial? You and I discussed this earlier in another thread, and you said Al-Jazeera was biased and the Western Media was also biased and that the truth was somewhere in-between the two.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Skunk: Al Jazeera went ahead with the screening of the footage of the dead children because it believes that war should not be sanitised. Western media is keen to show things being blown up - they tend not to like to show the aftermath. Why not? If you don't show the consequences, you only tell half the story. Al Jazeera has shown dead Iraqi soldiers and dead US/UK soldiers Al Jazeera has shown US/UK POW's and Iraqi POW's. Al Jazeera has shown the destruction of the cities and it has reported the people greeting the US soldiers as friends. You've admitted that Al-Jazeera had their own bias before, just like Western Media, but now you say they don't have a bias in presenting the news? Finally, FOX, CNN and the BBC have shown pictures of dead Iraqi troops, and captured POW's - I take it that you are equally outraged by their actions too? And finally, regarding the market bombing, why have so few US journals picked up this story, when most of the international media have?: I've seen it reported everyday on the news since it happened, and there has been an ongoing discussion of whose missile it was. The US media is reporting this. Who's telling you differently? Regarding the Iraqi POWs. I have only seen them from a distance, with hoods, or digitally concealed. This is not exposing individuals to public "curiosity". The Iraqis brought the media in and video taped interviews with captured coalition soldiers, and then broadcast that video. They paraded them as trophies before the media, just like the last time. The coalition has not done the same. Yes Mark said he saw an incident that showed faces, and I have no reason to doubt him, but that is the only up close incident I've heard of. Everyone screws up, including the media. That's why Geraldo Rivera is being asked to leave the country, he violated the rules, and he's going home because of it. The proof- marketplace deaths were caused by a US missile CENTCOM has said it didn't believe the missile was theirs, but has also said all along that it could have been theirs. They said they would not know the truth until they were physically in the area to investigate. If proof has been found then so be it.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by skywalker: On 3/22/03 on NBC news I saw a video with 3 Iraqi prisoners being held, 1 was sitting crosslegged with a blanket over his head, 1 was laying sideways covered with a blanket, and the 3rd was also sitting. The reporter picked up and showed that they were given rations. I guess to show how well they are being treated. The 1st POW looked really angry. I never was able to find any reference to this video again, don't know why. My wife saw it too. This in no way means I think the showing of Allied Prisoners Of War is OK. I have no link. Mark

As I've said Mark, I have no reason to doubt you, so I don't doubt what you've said is true, but I think the fact that we haven't seen anymore of this type thing says that the issue has been addressed. The media I've seen report has made it clear they've been told not to do that, and that they were told going into Iraq not to do this type thing, but that doesn't mean someone didn't get something out.

Geraldo wasn't suppose to show unit positions and tactics by drawing in the desert sand either.

[pritchke]

I have read that al-Jazeera is doing a grate good at reporting.

What has been the impact of al-Jazeera?

Tremendous, fantastic -- it takes the place CNN had in '91. The best thing about globalization is that the whole world is watching, and that puts the American army, the American government on the spot. If al-Jazeera shows pictures of American or Iraqi dead, the whole world knows about it, and it puts extra pressure on American networks that want to self-censor and avoid angering the American government

http://www.macleans.ca/xta-doc2/2003...QA/57595.shtml

JOHN R. MACARTHUR is president and publisher of Harper's, the oldest continuously published monthly U.S. magazine. He is also one of his industry's most penetrating critics. Compared to most of us at Ironworks I think he would know more than us on reporting.

[ 04-03-2003, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

[Thoran]

Keeping in mind that Al-Jazeera is biased similarly but opposite to the American media (Al-Jazeera : Arab Bias, US Media : US Bias) I think they're an outstanding contribution to the information pool. It gives you the possibility of combining the coverage to end up between the two camps... where the real truth lies.

[Sir Taliesin]

[quote]Originally posted by Skunk:

The proof- marketplace deaths were caused by a US missile

If you don't mind, I'll wait til the official investigation is completed before I make any judgement.