Suspect Chemical Facility Found!

[Ziroc]

Originally posted by Maximus67: It probably makes aspirin or something, like the one slick willy bombed to give him time to get a BJ from Monica.

Banned.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Masklinn: Quote: I do expect WoMD to be found in Iraq

Me too [img]smile.gif[/img]

That reminds me movies where the cop put some drug in the bad guy's pocket so he can arrest him.

I don't have any doubt on that, WoMD will be found, in a way or another.[/QUOTE]Well, I expect them to be found, because I believe he has them and is hiding them. I believe this and think it is consistant with my views on the subject based on the news reported through various sources over the years and the actual actions of the Iraqis since 1991. I've been following this a long time. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I do not believe that the US will "plant" the evidence, but I don't ignore that it's possible. If you believe the US will plant WoMD to justify the war after the fact, you are refusing to believe the truth if WoMD are actually found because you've already made up your mind that they'll be found no matter what.

[ 03-24-2003, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[Ronn_Bman]

The military is now reporting no WoMD at this site. They say that it may have contained them, but they would have been moved before the conflict in the area.

Looks like they missed another easy opportunity to "plant" some evidence. What are they doing?!?!?!?! Waiting until they really find something?

[Cerek the Barbaric]

I know this may seem like an odd question...but do we really need to find WoMD to "justify" the war on Saddam Hussein??

Is the reaction of the Iraqi population not "justification" enough?? If you've watched any news reports over the weekend, then you've seen the footage of Iraqi's running up and shaking the hands of American soldiers. You've also seen the Shiite Muslim slapping the picture of Saddam Hussein with his shoe.

But the most significant testimony I've heard was on the news this morning. NBC was showing footage of American soldiers tending to wounded Iraqi's (not sure if they were soldiers or civilians). One older man said that 5 members of his family had been killed when a mortar shell from the Coalition Forces struck his home....but he was STILL glad that we had come in to take Saddam Hussein out.

How evil does Saddam Hussein have to be for his own citizens to feel it is better for their family to die at the hands of the Coalition Forces than to continue living under his rulership? And - with that being the case - what other "justification" do we really need to end the reign of Saddam Hussein?

[Thoran]

Cerek I agree with your assessment, but when WoMD proof is found it will take a LOT of the wind out of international anti-war sails. Sure it won't silence all (many will always be opposed to war under any circumstances) but it will at least validate Pres. Bush's reasons for going to Iraq in the first place.

BUT... I don't believe for a minute it's going to be easy to find the smoking gun. I bet Saddam has his stockpile buried deep and it's going to be mighty tricky to find without human intel (someone telling us where it is). That's why I think the two generals they caught at the site might be more valuable than the site is.

[Ronn_Bman]

Don't be too sure about taking the wind out of the opposition’s sails simply by finding WoMD. Many people and governments are going to say anything found was planted by Americans.

[Attalus]

Heck, the Arab papers, according to Victor David Hanson are already saying that we are using atomic weapons. No matter what happens, there are those who will ascribe the worst motives and basest actions to us. *Shrugs* What are ya gonna do?

[pritchke]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: I know this may seem like an odd question...but do we really need to find WoMD to "justify" the war on Saddam Hussein?? Is the reaction of the Iraqi population not "justification" enough?? If you've watched any news reports over the weekend, then you've seen the footage of Iraqi's running up and shaking the hands of American soldiers. You've also seen the Shiite Muslim slapping the picture of Saddam Hussein with his shoe. But the most significant testimony I've heard was on the news this morning. NBC was showing footage of American soldiers tending to wounded Iraqi's (not sure if they were soldiers or civilians). One older man said that 5 members of his family had been killed when a mortar shell from the Coalition Forces struck his home....but he was STILL glad that we had come in to take Saddam Hussein out. How evil does Saddam Hussein have to be for his own citizens to feel it is better for their family to die at the hands of the Coalition Forces than to continue living under his rulership? And - with that being the case - what other "justification" do we really need to end the reign of Saddam Hussein?

That is a very valid question? Another question is why did we wait so long? If we take out these dictators when thay are inflicting harm on people than we are perfectly justified in acting like we did in Kosovo. How ever when we wait decades to do something that isn't right to now say we are going to punish you for what you did 20 years ago when we were standing around doing nothing about things being done to people when we knew they were going on and did nothing. Governments lying about their reasons isn't really right either as I don't like being lied to.

I was all for the Afgan, Kosovo, and GW1 but GW2 I am not so sure about. Even though I was against starting the war now that you are their I don't want it to end without taking out the leader.


[ 03-24-2003, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

[Bardan the Slayer]

Originally posted by Attalus: Heck, the Arab papers, according to Victor David Hanson are already saying that we are using atomic weapons. No matter what happens, there are those who will ascribe the worst motives and basest actions to us. *Shrugs* What are ya gonna do?

I think someone should remind Victor Davis Hanson that the British, Australians and the Spanish (Note the presence of some self-satisfied Europeans(!)) are there with the Americans, and that you are *not* alone. Then again, that would rob him of his catchphrase, so I doubt he would ever admit you've got help.

As to the rest of his article, it's mostly valid. One of my fears was that with all the talk of a grateful Iraqi populace and demoralised Iraqi force, that people would expect us to have the whole thing done in a week with no casualties. This is a war, and in war people die, including civilians. It's terrible, but that's the weay it is. It's never easy, and I think coalition foeces are showing a great deal of restraint. After all, it would be easy to bomb the country to ash, but we're not.

And on the nuclear weapons thing - the sad thing is not that papers will lie, but that the citizens of the countries being told this may be ignorant enough to believe it, leading to *nuke the west* campaigns. Sad.

[ 03-24-2003, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: Bardan the Slayer ]

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Bardan the Slayer: Then again, that would rob him of his catchphrase, so I doubt he would ever admit you've got help.

LOL, I think you've got that exactly right.