Is forcing a 13-year old girl to give birth immoral?

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Better to enter it in that way then never at all.

How would we know?

Personally, I'm of the belief that I existed before birth in the same way I will exist after death.

Not being born might very well be heaven and paradise for all we know...

[VulcanRider]

Originally posted by uss: By the way, what about her parents? What do they think on this matter? The article doesn't mention them at all. If they were for the abortion, would she have to give birth regardless?

Apparently the girl is an orphan -- she doesn't seem to have any parents or family. From the article:
Florida's department of children and families intervened and took the matter to court, arguing the teenager, who is under the care of the state, is too young and immature to make an informed medical decision.

So, under Florida law the girl is not required to get parental permission beforehand. But the DCF is acting like a parent and denying permission. Great, our tax dollars at work. By the time the courts settle this one, the baby will probably be a parent.

I wonder why there's no mention of the baby's father.

[ 04-30-2005, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: VulcanRider ]

[shamrock_uk]

I guess he must've done a runner. Well spotted VulvanRider, looks like she is an orphan.

In that case she's already in a vulnerable position and it goes a helluva long way to explain why she's in this situation in the first place. It's also another argument IMO against making her have the baby. The baby will probably end up in a similar vulnerable situation and the cycle will be repeated...

And why don't you guys just treat the law like the law and..erm...abide by it? [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] With my 'across-the-pond-tinted-spectacles' on it does seem like your representatives spend all their time trying to continually get round the law and have it changed if they can't.

Why not just obey it? We do that and it kindof works too...saves time, money and lawyers [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 04-30-2005, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[VulcanRider]

Originally posted by shamrock_uk: Well spotted VulvanRider

VULVANRIDER??? Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Aaah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! I love it!

[Lucern]

I just wanted to interject a couple ideas about 13 year olds and giving birth. Although there is some evidence that girls are hitting puberty sooner than usual in the States (possibly due to diet), it wasn't unusual in the past for women to give birth at such ages. It is possible without modern medicine even.

However, more women have died in childbirth than men have died in all wars combined. It's a difficult process, to say the least.

At a cursory glance, I'd call this risky medically and socially, and apparently in flagrant violation of law. Perhaps they'll both be okay when they sue the hell out of the state of Florida

And Vulvanrider...that's a keeper lol.

[Davros]

LOL that is a classic. I guess the V and the C are right next to each other on the keyboard - but was it an error or a wondrously subtitle right cross???

[Seraph]

Apparently the girl is an orphan -- she doesn't seem to have any parents or family. From the article: Florida's department of children and families intervened and took the matter to court, arguing the teenager, who is under the care of the state, is too young and immature to make an informed medical decision.

Do you have more to suggest that the girl is an orphan then that quote? A child can be considered under the care of the state for many reasons becides being an orphan.

[VulcanRider]

Originally posted by Seraph: quote: Apparently the girl is an orphan -- she doesn't seem to have any parents or family. From the article: Florida's department of children and families intervened and took the matter to court, arguing the teenager, who is under the care of the state, is too young and immature to make an informed medical decision.

Do you have more to suggest that the girl is an orphan then that quote? A child can be considered under the care of the state for many reasons becides being an orphan. [/QUOTE]Nope, this is the only article I've read that talks about her. But I'll keep looking...

[Ruadh nan Cath]

Originally posted by Lucern: I just wanted to interject a couple ideas about 13 year olds and giving birth. Although there is some evidence that girls are hitting puberty sooner than usual in the States (possibly due to diet), it wasn't unusual in the past for women to give birth at such ages. It is possible without modern medicine even. However, more women have died in childbirth than men have died in all wars combined. It's a difficult process, to say the least. At a cursory glance, I'd call this risky medically and socially, and apparently in flagrant violation of law. Perhaps they'll both be okay when they sue the hell out of the state of Florida And Vulvanrider...that's a keeper lol.

Whoa careful. My homie had her daughter when she was 12, and she's the most beautiful girl I seen. Both momma and daughter live just fine.

They shouldn't be allowing a child to abort, no way. To young to decide whether to live with the murder guilt and screwed up womb for the rest of her life. She can always adopt. Too much man. Women are victims of abortion. They ain't got much choice these days. This proves it! A girl's thought to be crazy if she carries. Where's that at man? Shit.

[Lucern]

I hope you didn't think I meant that to be a deterministic result, as in giving birth = death or poverty.

But I don't see it possible to deny that it's risky.