Please don't vote...

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

Originally posted by krunchyfrogg: If you... aren't responsible enough to decide for yourself which is the better candidate, stay home and don't vote.

That would bring about the lowest voter turnout in ages. You'd have maybe five hundred people voting.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar: quote: Originally posted by krunchyfrogg: If you... aren't responsible enough to decide for yourself which is the better candidate, stay home and don't vote.

That would bring about the lowest voter turnout in ages. You'd have maybe five hundred people voting. [/QUOTE]Who Knows Illum that maybe just what the doctor ordered.

[Davros]

And then JD, if it just comes down to about 500 dimpled or pregnant chads, we could get the whole thing invalidated on legal grounds if they don't chose the correct candidate - right eh [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Night Stalker]

Originally posted by Davros: And then JD, if it just comes down to about 500 dimpled or pregnant chads, we could get the whole thing invalidated on legal grounds if they don't chose the correct candidate - right eh [img]smile.gif[/img]

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How many times do we have to go over this? No less than FIVE major news agencies all pulling for the Wooden Robot went down and counted and couldn't come up with a count in FL that had Gore winning the state.

The Supreme Court did not elect the Monkey. They held FL to their own election law standards, because the Democratic Judges and Democratic leaning Legislature were trying to change the law or interpretation of FLs law on the fly to tip things in favor of the Wooded Robot. All the SCOTUS did was say "You have laws in place to cover this, you can't change them during the election because you don't like the outcome. You are already past your deadline, and recount allocation BY YOUR OWN LAW. Pick a candidate."

Night Stalker...don't let facts clutter up a good leftist obfuscation [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Timber Loftis]

If you're voting to get free stuff – such as health care, education, welfare, etc. – don't vote, because you're responsible for the impending fiscal disaster.

Cute quote. Howabout we rewrite it: If you're voting for Bush, don't vote, because you're responsible for the impending fiscal disaster.

The Supreme Court did not elect the Monkey. They held FL to their own election law standards, because the Democratic Judges and Democratic leaning Legislature were trying to change the law or interpretation of FLs law on the fly to tip things in favor of the Wooded Robot.

Um... that's not quite right. Let me translate the Supreme Court's ruling for you:

"We don't know if you are following your own election law, but you probably aren't. Moreover, we don't know what kind of a recount system would satisfy the constitution in this circumstance, but we know this isn't it. So, just stop it already."

[VulcanRider]

Originally posted by Lucern: ...None of that matters though because statistically it's still very much the case that the more years (not saying quality mind you) of education one has had, the more likely one is to identify oneself as liberal or Democrat. I get this from statistical analysis of the GSS (General Social Survey) - a bi-annual (sometimes) survey of a rather random sample of Americans....

Can you provide a link to that info? I'd like to see that.

[Davros]

LOL - I weren't doin nothin but funnin with me ole pal JD .

But seeing as it got such an amusing response from Nightstalker I will go there a bit more. It's nice that you honestly believe that things in the rotten state of Florida were so clear and above board - many people in the US and in the wider world don't share that view. Florida was the result the courts and lawyers gave us - not the result the people gave us. Looking back on the past 5 years, I think the people have a right to ask for their money back.

Just my 2c [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Lucern]

Can you provide a link to that info? I'd like to see that.

I'll do what I can VulcanRider, but I didn't learn that online. In a social science stats class we used a statistical package called SPSS to analyze all sorts of real social data. This was one of them, and it came out as I said. However, you shouldn't have to believe me on that, and I'm sorry to say that I wasn't able to find a source that directly and credibly said that. I even found one that said the opposite, selecting specific years in the 90's to run the tests (for data that goes back to 1972). I found many sites that referenced my point, but none that ran the test. I wish I had SPSS, because I'd like to see the numbers in detail - because I suspect the largest difference comes between 12 and 16 years of education. I'd also like to review the impact of gender, income, education of parents, age, and race in predicting political affiliation and, much more importantly (to me), opinions on social/economic issues - which are actually better in predicting a person's political leaning than anything else because of its detail and capacity to leave interpretation of words like liberal and conservative to the researcher.

The short of it - I don't have access to SPSS anymore, and you have little reason to believe me until I do lol. I also enlisted the aid of my stats professor. We'll see what becomes of that.

In the meanwhile you might want to look at what lack of fruit my labor produced. These first two show a one year sample of some interesting answers by the respondent's education level and political ideology. Note that both variables were condensed in ways not mentioned, because it's just for educational purposes. Note also the difference between the highschool grads and the college grads. All respondents were 18 or over, btw.

by "Political Ideology"
http://web.utk.edu/~dhouston/psc101/opintab2.pdf
by "Highest Degree"
http://web.utk.edu/~dhouston/psc101/opintab4.pdf

General GSS info:
http://www.norc.uchicago.edu/projects/gensoc.asp
http://www.du.edu/Marsico/IDEA/director/about-gss.htm

A look at a similar question:
http://www.religionnews.com/press02/PR051304B.html
and old look at a somewhat relevent question:
http://webapp.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS/rn...orts/soc10.htm

and an interesting link about the digital gap - internet use by education
http://webapp.icpsr.umich.edu/GSS/

More on this as it surfaces.

[Cerek]

Originally posted by Lucern: I'm glad he thinks the environment, health care, and education are on par with voting for your dog and your mom in their ridiculousness. He has a book already, that is "offering clear evidence that a leftist agenda is at work in our nation." He's a young Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. Isn't that cute? His elitism belies an ignorance of the fact that the more educated one is, the more likely one is to support liberal ideas, statistically. He does seem aware, somewhere under that buzz cut, that younger voters are currently more likely to support Kerry (if they can be bothered to vote). EDIT: Sorry if my own condescension irks anyone, but he IS a (freshman or sophomore) high-schooler (condescendingly) talking about the vast uneducated American youth.

LOL!!! Yeah, I have to agree that Rush Limbaugh can rest comfortably now...his future successor has been found.

Young Mr. Williams MAIN problem seems to be that there IS a concerted effort by the Democrats and liberals to get the voters out this year and that DOES endanger President Bush's chances for re-election. But MTV, Bruce Springsteen and any other entertainer or network has the right to support whichever candidate they want to.

I disagree with basically everything Mr. Williams has to say in his article. Voting IS inherently good. The average American Citizen has a chance to have a REAL effect on who is chosen to lead their country and/or particular geographic region and that - in and of itself - IS one of the greatest privileges we have in America. Saying that you shouldn't vote just to be voting exposes an extreme ignorance and bias on Kyle's part (In my humble opinion, of course ). I've never been big into politics because I believe that ALL candidates are lying, self-serving hypocrites that will do whatever is in THEIR best interest once they get elected. Some just do it to a less blantant degree than others. Still, I heard a speech by a local politician when I was young teenager and one comment he made has stuck with me to this day.

Bad politicians are elected by people who DON'T vote.

To a large degree, that is true. Voter apathy has been a national problem for many years. The 2000 election saw a change in that trend and I believe it will be even less of an issue this year and that we WILL see voters turn out in RECORD numbers. That is because Americans of every stripe (and especially the young voters that Mr. Kyle likes to be so condescending towards) have finally realized that they CAN and DO make a difference.