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Old 07-08-2004, 12:17 PM   #11
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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Maybe people who regularly post one to two line pop-offs that either generalize too much, offer too little explanation, or contain vague or ambiguous references should also suffer a similar fate, Davros.

The main reason it's done is becuase the "quote" feature allows you to make a reponsive post, while at the same time keeping the post you're responding to on the screen for ease of reference. At that point, it's just easiest to go insert a few quote tags and take the thing point-by-point. At least it shows the respect of paying attention to the individual points made by the original author, perhaps helping to avoid the "that's not what I said" defense.
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Back OT, I don't happen to think cutting up someone's post shows their words any respect at all TL. I think that it can quite creatively be used to maximise the context of the replier at the expense of the poster. I have ony ever done it when I have been pettily dissed of at having one of my quality "non 2 line" posts hacked about.

People are of course free to have a different opinion - this one is simply mine and I will happily cling to it .
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Old 07-08-2004, 01:12 PM   #12
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sometimes its a pain in the rear-end, sometimes it's needed to address many points made. The only problem I have with it is when points meant to be together are seperated, then IMNsHO the dissector is guilty of the same thing as M. Moore in his editing is accused of. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-08-2004, 08:34 PM   #13
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And in the blue corner stands wellard who actually does not mind at all.

It can show more respect to a persons post than some other methods employed. The problem is if the person delibretly misuses that method constantly to take sentances out of context.

I'm more upset at people who edit the content of there posts way after other people have commented upon it. A low class act if ever there was one.
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Old 07-09-2004, 03:25 AM   #14
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I would think it is easier to respond to a point if the response is paired with it. It is also easier to point out when someone twists context or stretched meaning when the words are right there!

I have come to realize after using this technique for a while that it can be a pain in the ass the reply to. I think this is more my lazy streak talking than an true fault of the technique. Epscially when reply in lenght to the folks that use fancy colored text. Also those font tags to close along with the quotes and bold!

My newest thing is using an exit greeting like "Cheers", "Good Day", or "Regards". I like this bit of friendly closure and I think it can maybe help keep things courteseous even in a contentious topic.

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Old 07-09-2004, 07:57 AM   #15
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You can take a taxi to work, and you can also drive your own car. What you decide upon is determined by other factors.

That said, post dissection is fine to use and can be handy as a tool of communication. What is more crucial is that you do not use it unnecessarily.

I tend to dissect posts too, and when necessary, end it with a summary and/or a conclusion to join back the points together. Post dissection enables one to easily highlight points that you wish to emphasise while you place less emphasis on others. It also allows you to end discussion(s) on point(s) that you happen to agree on.

Done properly, post dissection lets you surgically isolate the main points of discussion, evaluate them, and refute/accept them.
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Old 07-10-2004, 12:59 AM   #16
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Well, my opinion.

I agree with what Dundee said in that it's a handy tool, unique this this medium of communication, which enables you to emphasise what you would like to make a comment/rebuttal on, and try and drive the debate in that direction if you so wish. It also allows you to exclude quoting/responding to those points that you agree on and don't need to include in further discussion. Used this way, it's quite value-adding.

Where I see it being abused is when people dissect a post in its entirety and respond to not only every single post, but every single sentence, in a way to make the other person look foolish. Kind of like this (sorry Dundee to use you as an example, don't take this the wrong way mate ):

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An example of post-dissection abuse:
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You can take a taxi to work, and you can also drive your own car.
WRONG. What about taking a train? Are you discriminating against those of us who have to take public transport now?

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What you decide upon is determined by other factors.
Do tell what these "other factors" are.

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That said, post dissection is fine to use and can be handy as a tool of communication.
Duh!! Tell us something we don't know.

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What is more crucial is that you do not use it unnecessarily.
*skips ahead to the part of the post that is actually worth reading*

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I tend to dissect posts too, and when necessary, end it with a summary and/or a conclusion to join back the points together.
Yes, I've noticed you're one of the biggest post shredders around. Kudos!

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Post dissection enables one to easily highlight points that you wish to emphasise while you place less emphasis on others.
Allows you to emphasise the posts you are actually capable of responding to while ignoring the ones you've got no comeback to, you mean?

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It also allows you to end discussion(s) on point(s) that you happen to agree on.
Strange that I've never seen this happen...

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Done properly, post dissection lets you surgically isolate the main points of discussion, evaluate them, and refute/accept them.
With emphasis on your first two words...

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See what I mean? I'm all for selectively dissecting parts of a post to highlight a point, but the above example I've just given is a clear one of post shredding gone crazy. If you notice there's actually very little I've done to make a rebuttal to Dundee's post, all I've done is take his sentences out of context and responded with a bunch of baiting oneliners to make him look foolish.

This is what I don't like about it. Thankfully, the type of people who indulge in this type of abuse get found out very quickly. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Old 07-10-2004, 04:16 PM   #17
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Post shredding often comes across, to me, as rude...I really can't put it any blunter...that being said, most of the times I've seen it used, it was used either in a heated debate or in spite...the former is not a bad thing, but the latter is...
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Old 07-10-2004, 04:27 PM   #18
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If you check out forums.firearmsmod.com you'll see there are rules against just throwing up another poster's post and banging away below it. Point-to-point contentions are much cleaner. The issues don't get confused, and it's a much faster read.

Overall, I'm in favor of the technique, if only as it allows me to isolate given points in a post and address them directly. No other way has the same effective quality.
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