Affirmative Action in the USA.

[Djinn Raffo]

Yes, MagiK, im contending that there are no black people from Bali. Only South Asians. I've been to Bali, have you?

And I actually like Jonah Goldberg. Of course i don't like that he believes he's the man who was on the inside of the Clinton take down (thanks mom) but i cut him some slack because he is an entertaining writer.

If Goldberg is idiot enough to cite the Blacks coming out of Indonesian Bali as being a part of the problem with Affirmative Action in America (and i really hope that there is actually at least one black exchange student who came to America on some roundabout route via Bali to give him the justification to say YES.. black people are from Bali)..

Well if this is the contention that you are actually trying to justify then you and Goldberg himself i can honestly say don't deserve the respect i was willing to give you before i read your post. By the way.. i'm anti affirmative action.. I just don't think South Asian Black Balinese are needed to back up my claims.

Thanks for opening my eyes to Jonah Goldberg's lunacy MagiK.

[Davros]

Definitely no black people in Bali MagiK - I will back up Djinni Raffo on that one. I am going to go out on a limb and put that the author had one of those geographical grasps at the air and just barely missed the black African nation of Mali.

On the subject of affirmative action - I am against it and for it . I don't like anything that is not merit based on principle. However - if extra places are part funded by a government program under the aim of closing the socio-economic divide, and those places have minimum standards set to an acceptable tolerance of the standard course (say must be within 5-10% of standard), then I am happy with the principle. Just taking someone that is well below the standard on the basis of race would piss me off that my tax dollars were wasted on someone that doesn'thave the credentials to be there.

I guess I am more anti-affirmative action than pro, but I guess that stems from the fact that I am quite lucky to have my high paying job with an American Multi-national. The HR department that employed me had been under strict instructions that they were to find the best female candidates, but after sifting everyone they ended up shortlisting 4 that were all guys. Forttunately for me, the company did not get in as early as some with their recruiting. The best girls in our class (and in classes acoss the country) were snapped up early, with the two that had better grades than me sorting through 15-20 firm offers - they were in much demand.

Originally posted by Djinn Raffo: Yes, MagiK, im contending that there are no black people from Bali. Only South Asians. I've been to Bali, have you? According to their official Tourism Website there appear to be a few brown persons there, and Bob Hope actually did a "road show" there and they showed people who looked pretty darn brown skinned to me. I think you just fibbed. Shame on you. If Goldberg is idiot enough to cite the Blacks coming out of Indonesian Bali as being a part of the problem with Affirmative Action in America (and i really hope that there is actually at least one black exchange student who came to America on some roundabout route via Bali to give him the justification to say YES.. black people are from Bali).. So it's his fault that the schools administration are filling their ranks with Blacks from Bali (wether they are black or brown) and using that to fill their racial quota's? hmmm I think you are blaming the wrong person. I have NEVER felt any modicum of respect flowing my way from you Djin, so don't worry about giving false impressions. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 06-27-2004, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Davros weather there are or aren't is not Jonha's contention. He has said that the Schools Amdinistrations are filling their racial quota's by pulling people from places like Bali and qualifying them as black.

We do run into a problem with definitions....Some of the Balinese people appear to be quite dark and not yellow skinned so don't fit into the Asian catagory and don't qualify as Anglos...so perhaps the schools are fudging....or perhaps there are some blacks in Bali...as I said if you look around on their Tourism site there are a fair number of locals who look pretty dark skinned.


[ 06-27-2004, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Davros]

LOL - or it really could be that he meant to say Mali like I said Logic says that I am right dude, but don't let that thought get in the way of a fantastic theory. It's just a pity we can't ask the author - excuse me - Bali? You did mean Mali and Niger didn't you?

As you say though, the point of locale is irrelevant. I was interested though that you would so find the need to defend the guys words (which you will note given the body of my response I was within reason receptive to) that you would even defend his obvious geographical slip on the basis that it could possibly be right. Too funny [img]smile.gif[/img] .

Originally posted by Davros: I was interested though that you would so find the need to defend the guys words (which you will note given the body of my response I was within reason receptive to) .

It irks me that the person gets attacked instead of the subject matter...was my reasoning. Rather than look at the facts, and where they originated the IW member just decides that "Oh Jonah's a right wing guy, Im just gonna rip on him rather than the real issue!" I really let that irritate me too much. I suppose I should let it go, but I still maintain that there do appear to be dark skinned folk in Bali....and I refuse to believe Mr. "I been there and there ain't no black folks there." Hell Even Bob Hope Showed black people living in Bali [img]smile.gif[/img] (Ever hear of a show called the Road to Bali?)

[Davros]

Dude - if you know enough about both countries, the socio economic backgrounds, the cultures, and where they have their children educated, the bookies would frame the payouts for a $1 bet as :

Bali - pays $5
Mali - pays $1.05.

If you will note my response, I didn't rip on your guy that badly at all. Well - apart from the obvious typo or poor grasp of geography.

Oh - there are two places that the beter off Balinese go to get an education (and the numbers are extremely minor indeed) - one is Singapore and the other is my state of Western Australia - the closest contact that that Island has to western civilisation. You did note that the Balinese are a people and not a nationality did you? The Balinese people are Indonesian. Do you import students from a country like Niger or say Mali, or an island like say Bali or Tasmania?

The native Balinese are light brown in colouring, with suntans resembling the California beach culture. There are no native Balinese that could be considered black.

The natives of Mali however ....... .

[promethius9594]

with suntans resembling the California beach culture.

i dont think youve been to california enough to know this...

Originally posted by Davros: Dude - if you know enough about both countries, the socio economic backgrounds, the cultures, and where they have their children educated, the bookies would frame the payouts for a $1 bet as : Bali - pays $5 Mali - pays $1.05. If you will note my response, I didn't rip on your guy that badly at all. Well - apart from the obvious typo or poor grasp of geography. Oh - there are two places that the beter off Balinese go to get an education (and the numbers are extremely minor indeed) - one is Singapore and the other is my state of Western Australia - the closest contact that that Island has to western civilisation. You did note that the Balinese are a people and not a nationality did you? The Balinese people are Indonesian. Do you import students from a country like Niger or say Mali, or an island like say Bali or Tasmania? The native Balinese are light brown in colouring, with suntans resembling the California beach culture. There are no native Balinese that could be considered black. The natives of Mali however ....... .

Davros Im sorry really...I guess I didn't word my response well at all..I was notin any way saying that you ripped him or that you were being...a "butt pain" about the issue. [img]smile.gif[/img] I was trying to explain why I bothered trying to defend what could have been a simple typo more than anything else [img]smile.gif[/img] I just guess I was being too weird to communicate properly...really sorry for the misunderstanding. Im not familiar with Mali at all by the way [img]smile.gif[/img]

Edit: just for the sake of argument however, the people being imported from mali or bali do not necessarily HAVE to be natives...just residents of. The real point of the issue is that the quota's set in place were supposed to be there to repair damages done to descendants of american slavery......so filling the ranks from overseas sort of cheats the intent.




[ 06-28-2004, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Originally posted by promethius9594: with suntans resembling the California beach culture. i dont think youve been to california enough to know this...

Maybe, maybe not, but I think he may be right, though the tourism office video clips show some people who could pass for "black".