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Old 06-02-2004, 03:45 AM   #11
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i would like to point out that in fact the internet was being used in the military in the 1950's to network computers between bases.
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Old 06-02-2004, 06:33 AM   #12
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actually, the first use of the internet WAS in the late 1950's with connections between multiple computers within one base. it was NOT, as you seem to think, a hand carried process. In the 1960's the internet spread such that wiring computers spread beyond a local means to encompass multiple military installations wired together in the conus. regardless of which technological date you pick, both were LONG before Gore's time.
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Old 06-02-2004, 08:16 AM   #13
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actually, the first use of the internet WAS in the late 1950's with connections between multiple computers within one base. it was NOT, as you seem to think, a hand carried process. In the 1960's the internet spread such that wiring computers spread beyond a local means to encompass multiple military installations wired together in the conus.
Then I guess my history books were wrong, as well as my Computer Science teachers.
Got any sources to back up your claims?

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regardless of which technological date you pick, both were LONG before Gore's time.
You could for example, like, read what I post. You're so preocuppied with pointing out how silly Gore's context-ripped "claims" were, that you don't really seem to care in what Gore *did* do that led to those claims in the first place. Of course he didn't "invent" the Internet - I know that, you know that and he knows that. So why do you insist on first ascribing such a claim to Gore and then slamming him for a claim he never made in the first place?

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Old 06-02-2004, 09:31 AM   #14
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Because it's the Repug way -- DUH!! They can't argue against the real facts, so they rail against their version of the facts. Spin, spin, spin, don't get dizzy.
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Old 06-02-2004, 10:59 AM   #15
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source: US military history course.

of course, you know, military instructors could be wrong about when the military first started plugging one computer into another, or maybe the military doesnt know when it wired two bases together, i could be wrong.

i dont think that gore thinks he invented the internet. he DOES claim that his actions foster the developement of prominent portions of the internet, which is ridiculous.
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Old 06-02-2004, 11:42 AM   #16
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he DOES claim that his actions foster the developement of prominent portions of the internet, which is ridiculous.
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Gore was widely credited in histories written long before the vice president's oft-derided comment that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Gore is credited by the technological cognoscenti for having sponsored legislation that helped launch the expansion of the fledgling Internet to ever-wider uses. As early as 1986, Gore articulated a vision of widespread connected computing, and later introduced a follow-up bill to expand access to the network.
Let's be real about the internet. Even when I entered uni in 1991, it was still a rudimentary and clunky thing. Unix servers, news groups, *gah*, it was ghastly and very unwelcoming to the unsavvy user. During my tenure at uni, WebCrawler type browsers became popular, and that's about the time the internet first became an accessible and usable tool to search and obtain information. It was legislation and the acts of private companies and universities during the late 80's and early 90's (building on systems originally used by the military, of course) that really made the internet become anything I'd be comfortable calling an internet (note -- this is where Gore relates, like it or not).

To go back to hooking 2 computers together, the geek in me wants to point out that that's an intranet, but regardless, it is a far removed in relation to the internet as chimpanzees are to humans. It's like saying no one can claim they helped "create" or "invent" laptops because in the 1930s and 40s Turing Machines were already up and running.

Anyway, rant off. This has big one huge derailment of a topic.
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